Hi Rajkumar,
Thank you for the details. In my organization, the managerial category starts with the engineer post, followed by Senior Engineer, Assistant Manager, etc. Are engineers considered part of the managerial category in other firms?
Thank you.
From India, Poona
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Thank you for the details. In my organization, the managerial category starts with the engineer post, followed by Senior Engineer, Assistant Manager, etc. Are engineers considered part of the managerial category in other firms?
Thank you.
From India, Poona
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Yes; generally Engineers come under Managerial category. However, in some companies, "Diploma Engineers" are taken in Supervisory category. Regards.
From India, Delhi
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Hello,
Two possibilities emerge!
Either your existing organization is promoting you with an evil design or is authentically offering you, noticing your qualities of leadership, communication, etc., an opportunity to grow.
If their observations regarding your qualities are correct and their intention is suspect, it is safe to DENY this opportunity within the organization and look for a similar opportunity outside of the organization (which is going to be rather difficult owing to your involvement with a trade union). Managing this conversion from a bargainable status to a non-bargainable status within the same organization is relatively easy. If later you see foul intentions, then you are still free to look for another opportunity outside. (Now easier - relatively, as you have already managed the conversion already.) But if you have no reasons to suspect your present management's intention, then you must pick up the courage to make the most of this opportunity of a lifetime.
In the present situation, you have been benefited by the organization's admission of your qualities, notwithstanding their intentions. Here is a window to a new world of opportunities to realize your potentials.
Does this set at rest some of your anxieties?
Think deep, and you will be able to resolve your own dilemma!
Regards,
Samvedan
December 9, 2013
From India, Pune
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Two possibilities emerge!
Either your existing organization is promoting you with an evil design or is authentically offering you, noticing your qualities of leadership, communication, etc., an opportunity to grow.
If their observations regarding your qualities are correct and their intention is suspect, it is safe to DENY this opportunity within the organization and look for a similar opportunity outside of the organization (which is going to be rather difficult owing to your involvement with a trade union). Managing this conversion from a bargainable status to a non-bargainable status within the same organization is relatively easy. If later you see foul intentions, then you are still free to look for another opportunity outside. (Now easier - relatively, as you have already managed the conversion already.) But if you have no reasons to suspect your present management's intention, then you must pick up the courage to make the most of this opportunity of a lifetime.
In the present situation, you have been benefited by the organization's admission of your qualities, notwithstanding their intentions. Here is a window to a new world of opportunities to realize your potentials.
Does this set at rest some of your anxieties?
Think deep, and you will be able to resolve your own dilemma!
Regards,
Samvedan
December 9, 2013
From India, Pune
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Dear Sunny,
Congratulations on being conferred with a promotion. You have rightly mentioned that being a Union Secretary, you had a tough time with management. Being a professional organization, your seniors and you should understand that giving them a tough time was part of your role, which you have justified by being in that position. There are no personal grudges against any of the seniors. I am confident that you made those bold decisions for the interest of the organization and not for personal gain.
My opinion suggests that you should grab the promotion opportunity and prove yourself in your new role.
All the best.
From India, Delhi
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Congratulations on being conferred with a promotion. You have rightly mentioned that being a Union Secretary, you had a tough time with management. Being a professional organization, your seniors and you should understand that giving them a tough time was part of your role, which you have justified by being in that position. There are no personal grudges against any of the seniors. I am confident that you made those bold decisions for the interest of the organization and not for personal gain.
My opinion suggests that you should grab the promotion opportunity and prove yourself in your new role.
All the best.
From India, Delhi
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Dear Sunny,
Your issue appears to be a dilemma between two options: either remaining as the Secretary of the union to pursue a promotion and be recognized as managerial personnel. Yes, it is possible. Firstly, the Industrial Disputes (ID) Act or Trade Union regulations do not prohibit you from being a union member or holding a union position after being promoted to a managerial role.
It seems that your union is recognized, and as a protected worker under Section 33(3 & 4) of the ID Act 1947, you would still be covered by the umbrella of protection. There are numerous cases of employees in supervisory or executive positions who continue to actively participate as trade union representatives, especially in public sector undertakings and banks.
While there may be some role conflicts, many organizations opt not to burden such employees with managerial responsibilities. Instead, they are considered as workmen only, in technical terms according to the ID Act.
KK
From India, Bhopal
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Your issue appears to be a dilemma between two options: either remaining as the Secretary of the union to pursue a promotion and be recognized as managerial personnel. Yes, it is possible. Firstly, the Industrial Disputes (ID) Act or Trade Union regulations do not prohibit you from being a union member or holding a union position after being promoted to a managerial role.
It seems that your union is recognized, and as a protected worker under Section 33(3 & 4) of the ID Act 1947, you would still be covered by the umbrella of protection. There are numerous cases of employees in supervisory or executive positions who continue to actively participate as trade union representatives, especially in public sector undertakings and banks.
While there may be some role conflicts, many organizations opt not to burden such employees with managerial responsibilities. Instead, they are considered as workmen only, in technical terms according to the ID Act.
KK
From India, Bhopal
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Dear Sunny,
It is very simple. The person who has supervisory power in the organization, given by the management, or if any employees are working under you, that means, under the law, you can seek protection under the banner of the union and employee protection. Your statement that you are expecting a promotion implies there may be a questionable role either by the management in promoting you to a higher level or you may be avoiding union activities. Both scenarios pose equal risks. I can provide examples of many of my friends who have continued to work in the same organization for years without receiving a promotion, despite their qualifications and knowledge that would qualify them for a senior management position. They choose to remain in the union to protect both themselves and their fellow employees, sharing their knowledge of labor laws.
I would advise that if you are capable of working at a supervisory/managerial level, the world is open to you for a bright future. You can choose to set aside your union activities and pursue advancement or continue to protect your colleagues while letting go of the expectation of a promotion. Both choices are commendable in the eyes of God.
Thanks & Regards,
Vijayan Krishnan
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It is very simple. The person who has supervisory power in the organization, given by the management, or if any employees are working under you, that means, under the law, you can seek protection under the banner of the union and employee protection. Your statement that you are expecting a promotion implies there may be a questionable role either by the management in promoting you to a higher level or you may be avoiding union activities. Both scenarios pose equal risks. I can provide examples of many of my friends who have continued to work in the same organization for years without receiving a promotion, despite their qualifications and knowledge that would qualify them for a senior management position. They choose to remain in the union to protect both themselves and their fellow employees, sharing their knowledge of labor laws.
I would advise that if you are capable of working at a supervisory/managerial level, the world is open to you for a bright future. You can choose to set aside your union activities and pursue advancement or continue to protect your colleagues while letting go of the expectation of a promotion. Both choices are commendable in the eyes of God.
Thanks & Regards,
Vijayan Krishnan
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Besides the points mentioned in the above posts, which are all relevant, you have to take into consideration your age, qualifications, and family commitments before making a decision. Social status is also another factor to reckon with.
From India, Madras
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Be careful. If they do not like you, they may sack you after your promotion or amend your trade union constitution to make management staff members of your union and change the title of the union.
From India, Hyderabad
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From India, Hyderabad
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Dear Rao,
While appreciating your concern and contribution, I must remind all that such interference by the management in union activity would amount to unfair labor practices and be punishable by law.
Warm regards,
Raj Kumar
From India, Delhi
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While appreciating your concern and contribution, I must remind all that such interference by the management in union activity would amount to unfair labor practices and be punishable by law.
Warm regards,
Raj Kumar
From India, Delhi
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Nothing of this sort is going to happen; no one is going to treat you badly just because of your elevation. There are numerous cases where people from Trade Union posts have gone to managerial positions and succeeded.
In fact, you will be in a better position to understand and resolve many issues related to management and workmen.
From India, Suri
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In fact, you will be in a better position to understand and resolve many issues related to management and workmen.
From India, Suri
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