Hello Deen Mohammed,
Without getting into semantics and right/wrong, let's see your query from a different perspective.
You mentioned that you are working in Bahrain now and are pretty happy too. Now let's presume I am interested in working there—but I want to attend the interview in my traditional Indian attire. Will I be encouraged or considered? Please note that when I say 'attire' here, I mean the dress and everything else that the other person sees.
In a way, I think Dinesh and others have used the wrong words—though I am sure they meant the right thing, judging from their responses in CiteHR for a long time—the actual focus for anyone is on personal appearance, rather than 'personal preference.'
As the saying goes: "Be a Roman while in Rome" [Simhan used a Kannada proverb to highlight this point].
And please don't mix up 'personality' with 'appearance' or 'preference.' Since you seem to be spiritual (mind you, this is totally different from being 'religious'), let me mention a few aspects from that angle.
You took the examples of Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Manmohan Singh. It's human nature to give some semblance of leeway to those who have proved themselves in any arena of life or profession—and please note I am speaking from a global perspective. You are comparing yourself with Mahatma Gandhi's attire/appearance after he made his mark in the way he dealt with the British Empire through Non-violence, when the general accepted practice until then (and even today) has been through violence/war.
You are at the stage when Gandhi was an attorney, like Simhan mentioned, wearing a suit and tie. I am sure you will find many photos of that attire of Gandhi.
Forget about Gandhi—a more recent example would be that of MF Hussain, the world-renowned painter. He never wore shoes; at best, he wore chappals/slippers and many times not even those. But he surely had to face situations that can be, to put it mildly, termed absolute rejection. But that didn't deter him from focusing on what he believed in. And when he attained his place in history, everyone, right from top-notch persons in the world, never saw 'not wearing any footwear' as a flaw in him. I recollect seeing him in a 5-star hotel with top film stars discussing animatedly, and all of them were keenly lapping up his every word (he wasn't wearing any footwear when I saw him). But mind you, this was after, like I said, he made his mark. Another example from the global scene would be Albert Einstein. I am sure there would be many more.
So the moral of the story, if I may say so, would be to focus on what you aim for in your life/career—and the world will fall at your feet, no pun intended.
Since you seem to have just begun your life/career journey, I suggest you not get distracted in your goals with such situations. To repeat the very same example you mentioned of Mahatma Gandhi: had he focused on his horrible and distressing experiences (being thrown off the first-class compartment of the train being just one of them), would he have become what we all know now? The only thing you need to be careful about is your choice of your goal—just ensure it's something that benefits you and the society at large.
Now let me repeat that I am not even referring to the 'right' or 'wrong' aspects of the situations you mentioned. It all depends on how one views such situations. To take one recent, but extreme, example: The whole world was dismayed and criticized the Kenya Mall or the 26/11 Mumbai attacks—but ask those who perpetrated them? Or the local goonda throwing his tantrums? You know the answers.
Hope you get the point.
All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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1700Without getting into semantics and right/wrong, let's see your query from a different perspective.
You mentioned that you are working in Bahrain now and are pretty happy too. Now let's presume I am interested in working there—but I want to attend the interview in my traditional Indian attire. Will I be encouraged or considered? Please note that when I say 'attire' here, I mean the dress and everything else that the other person sees.
In a way, I think Dinesh and others have used the wrong words—though I am sure they meant the right thing, judging from their responses in CiteHR for a long time—the actual focus for anyone is on personal appearance, rather than 'personal preference.'
As the saying goes: "Be a Roman while in Rome" [Simhan used a Kannada proverb to highlight this point].
And please don't mix up 'personality' with 'appearance' or 'preference.' Since you seem to be spiritual (mind you, this is totally different from being 'religious'), let me mention a few aspects from that angle.
You took the examples of Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Manmohan Singh. It's human nature to give some semblance of leeway to those who have proved themselves in any arena of life or profession—and please note I am speaking from a global perspective. You are comparing yourself with Mahatma Gandhi's attire/appearance after he made his mark in the way he dealt with the British Empire through Non-violence, when the general accepted practice until then (and even today) has been through violence/war.
You are at the stage when Gandhi was an attorney, like Simhan mentioned, wearing a suit and tie. I am sure you will find many photos of that attire of Gandhi.
Forget about Gandhi—a more recent example would be that of MF Hussain, the world-renowned painter. He never wore shoes; at best, he wore chappals/slippers and many times not even those. But he surely had to face situations that can be, to put it mildly, termed absolute rejection. But that didn't deter him from focusing on what he believed in. And when he attained his place in history, everyone, right from top-notch persons in the world, never saw 'not wearing any footwear' as a flaw in him. I recollect seeing him in a 5-star hotel with top film stars discussing animatedly, and all of them were keenly lapping up his every word (he wasn't wearing any footwear when I saw him). But mind you, this was after, like I said, he made his mark. Another example from the global scene would be Albert Einstein. I am sure there would be many more.
So the moral of the story, if I may say so, would be to focus on what you aim for in your life/career—and the world will fall at your feet, no pun intended.
Since you seem to have just begun your life/career journey, I suggest you not get distracted in your goals with such situations. To repeat the very same example you mentioned of Mahatma Gandhi: had he focused on his horrible and distressing experiences (being thrown off the first-class compartment of the train being just one of them), would he have become what we all know now? The only thing you need to be careful about is your choice of your goal—just ensure it's something that benefits you and the society at large.
Now let me repeat that I am not even referring to the 'right' or 'wrong' aspects of the situations you mentioned. It all depends on how one views such situations. To take one recent, but extreme, example: The whole world was dismayed and criticized the Kenya Mall or the 26/11 Mumbai attacks—but ask those who perpetrated them? Or the local goonda throwing his tantrums? You know the answers.
Hope you get the point.
All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi, Deen Mohammed,
I understand you are hurt. I fully understand and agree with you that your outward depiction may not affect your work efficiency, but the rules laid in corporates are needed to be followed. I'm sure if you are the boss and while taking interviews of various candidates, as Nas said if a candidate comes in Dhoti, Choti, and tilak or in Gandhi attire, probably you would also reject him, irrespective of his knowledge. In an interview, one judges a person in a few minutes only, and there his knowledge, experience, appearance, and confidence are judged in those few minutes only. Hence everything matters, including your dressing sense to some extent. As Nash very rightly said, "Wear as per the occasion."
When MG was studying in London or while he was practicing law, he wore Western attires only. It was only later when he came to India and went around India on a train to see the condition of the common masses that he realized the poor state of these people; hence, he decided to wear a short dhoti and a piece of cloth for the upper body. And what made him Mahatma, probably his thinking, his mission, his work, and very importantly his "ATTIRE."
Probably you are misunderstanding Mr. Devikar and Miss Couvery. Clean the clutter in your mind for a moment, then read their as well as Nash's answers; you would understand it better.
I'm working in an automobile manufacturing plant that was taken over by the present group from a different group 4 years ago. We have people from all casts, creeds, and religions working here. As it is a 26-year-old plant, almost every department had a small temple placed there with the pictures of the various deities as per the belief system of that department people. Every Tuesday and Thursday, there used to be a big prayer session as well, depending on the deities.
When the new management took over and saw this, they decided to go against it. All the temples were removed from shop floors. Even prasad and the use of agarbatties were banned. I'm myself very religious, but I totally am in favor of this ban. You are free to follow any religion personally, but inside a production hall, everybody follows only one religion, "Manufacturing," and I fully agree.
Do not take such things personally as you end up hurting yourself only, and that's a sin.
Regards,
Dr. Vikas Vikram FMO
From India
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I understand you are hurt. I fully understand and agree with you that your outward depiction may not affect your work efficiency, but the rules laid in corporates are needed to be followed. I'm sure if you are the boss and while taking interviews of various candidates, as Nas said if a candidate comes in Dhoti, Choti, and tilak or in Gandhi attire, probably you would also reject him, irrespective of his knowledge. In an interview, one judges a person in a few minutes only, and there his knowledge, experience, appearance, and confidence are judged in those few minutes only. Hence everything matters, including your dressing sense to some extent. As Nash very rightly said, "Wear as per the occasion."
When MG was studying in London or while he was practicing law, he wore Western attires only. It was only later when he came to India and went around India on a train to see the condition of the common masses that he realized the poor state of these people; hence, he decided to wear a short dhoti and a piece of cloth for the upper body. And what made him Mahatma, probably his thinking, his mission, his work, and very importantly his "ATTIRE."
Probably you are misunderstanding Mr. Devikar and Miss Couvery. Clean the clutter in your mind for a moment, then read their as well as Nash's answers; you would understand it better.
I'm working in an automobile manufacturing plant that was taken over by the present group from a different group 4 years ago. We have people from all casts, creeds, and religions working here. As it is a 26-year-old plant, almost every department had a small temple placed there with the pictures of the various deities as per the belief system of that department people. Every Tuesday and Thursday, there used to be a big prayer session as well, depending on the deities.
When the new management took over and saw this, they decided to go against it. All the temples were removed from shop floors. Even prasad and the use of agarbatties were banned. I'm myself very religious, but I totally am in favor of this ban. You are free to follow any religion personally, but inside a production hall, everybody follows only one religion, "Manufacturing," and I fully agree.
Do not take such things personally as you end up hurting yourself only, and that's a sin.
Regards,
Dr. Vikas Vikram FMO
From India
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Dear Deen,
As a Muslim, we should always believe in our religious obligations, which are already outlined for us. This includes praying five times a day and offering support to our brothers and sisters. However, it is important to note that as a professional, there should be a distinction between religion and work, and in your case, there was discrimination. My advice to you is to adapt yourself to the requirements of your job and the environment you are in. A good example to follow in life could be Dr. Zakir Niak.
From Singapore, Singapore
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As a Muslim, we should always believe in our religious obligations, which are already outlined for us. This includes praying five times a day and offering support to our brothers and sisters. However, it is important to note that as a professional, there should be a distinction between religion and work, and in your case, there was discrimination. My advice to you is to adapt yourself to the requirements of your job and the environment you are in. A good example to follow in life could be Dr. Zakir Niak.
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Mohamed,
I do not know exactly what type of company you went to or what you faced, since you chose to be vague in your post. Our members have given you lots of inputs.
If I understand rightly (you didn't confirm it) you are alleging religious discrimination.
I see it from various perspectives:
1. Religious and regional discrimination is very common all over the world. The reverse is also true. Go to any office owned by a Muslim, you will find the majority of the employees are Muslim. They hire Muslim employees even if they are not the best choice available. Hindu-owned companies generally will not bother much about it. They will discriminate more based on region: Malayalam/Tamil/Bengali/Punjabi/Gujarati/Kachhi, etc.
This happens in other countries also.
2. You got a job in the Gulf, in a Muslim country. Did you get it purely on merit? Were you the best candidate available? Or is it that Hindu candidates are given lower preference and lower salary there?
3. Most large companies prefer a secular environment. In a secular environment, they will avoid discrimination against a particular religion. But they will not allow a visible display of religious symbols. The recruiters have their own bias, not only on religion but also on skin color, language, etc., which the company is not in a position to deal with, since they can't review everyone's work. They will review if there is a specific complaint.
4. HR is generally a critical and visible function where independence from all obvious religious symbolism is best avoided, especially to avoid complaints of unfair treatment of a particular religion even where such unfair treatment does not exist. It's not only your beard and cap. They would generally avoid a Tamil with a big "U" marked on his head with Chandan each morning. Because it has the same effect - a visible manifestation of your possible inner bias.
5. You are free to follow your religion, and you are free to decide whether it's at home or to carry it to the office. But then you must be ready to have your scope of work and options available narrowed. You must then find a job in a place where your wishes to display your religion and preferences are welcome (as you have). If that is a loss of talent for a different organization or a loss of talent for India, it's not your problem.
But if you wish to work in a particular organization, you must adhere to their stated or unstated dress code. For example, if you are to be a successful merchant banker, you cannot dress in a kurta, even if you think they should allow Indian traditional clothes. If a lady wants to be a successful relationship manager in a bank, she cannot wear a burka or a ghunghat, though both are considered to be the required dress for a woman in many parts of our country. If they wish to wear that, then they must be willing to accept that their access to the job market will accordingly be curtailed.
Lastly, your question on Manmohan Singh was funny. He has always worn western clothes. He used to wear 3-piece suits all the time when he was the governor of the reserve bank. Yes, that is the reason why he was chosen, because of his clothes and personality when there were many better economists available. Of course, now it seems there was another set of considerations, but that is not the point of debate here.
Consider these points with an open mind. This is what the reality is.
From India, Mumbai
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I do not know exactly what type of company you went to or what you faced, since you chose to be vague in your post. Our members have given you lots of inputs.
If I understand rightly (you didn't confirm it) you are alleging religious discrimination.
I see it from various perspectives:
1. Religious and regional discrimination is very common all over the world. The reverse is also true. Go to any office owned by a Muslim, you will find the majority of the employees are Muslim. They hire Muslim employees even if they are not the best choice available. Hindu-owned companies generally will not bother much about it. They will discriminate more based on region: Malayalam/Tamil/Bengali/Punjabi/Gujarati/Kachhi, etc.
This happens in other countries also.
2. You got a job in the Gulf, in a Muslim country. Did you get it purely on merit? Were you the best candidate available? Or is it that Hindu candidates are given lower preference and lower salary there?
3. Most large companies prefer a secular environment. In a secular environment, they will avoid discrimination against a particular religion. But they will not allow a visible display of religious symbols. The recruiters have their own bias, not only on religion but also on skin color, language, etc., which the company is not in a position to deal with, since they can't review everyone's work. They will review if there is a specific complaint.
4. HR is generally a critical and visible function where independence from all obvious religious symbolism is best avoided, especially to avoid complaints of unfair treatment of a particular religion even where such unfair treatment does not exist. It's not only your beard and cap. They would generally avoid a Tamil with a big "U" marked on his head with Chandan each morning. Because it has the same effect - a visible manifestation of your possible inner bias.
5. You are free to follow your religion, and you are free to decide whether it's at home or to carry it to the office. But then you must be ready to have your scope of work and options available narrowed. You must then find a job in a place where your wishes to display your religion and preferences are welcome (as you have). If that is a loss of talent for a different organization or a loss of talent for India, it's not your problem.
But if you wish to work in a particular organization, you must adhere to their stated or unstated dress code. For example, if you are to be a successful merchant banker, you cannot dress in a kurta, even if you think they should allow Indian traditional clothes. If a lady wants to be a successful relationship manager in a bank, she cannot wear a burka or a ghunghat, though both are considered to be the required dress for a woman in many parts of our country. If they wish to wear that, then they must be willing to accept that their access to the job market will accordingly be curtailed.
Lastly, your question on Manmohan Singh was funny. He has always worn western clothes. He used to wear 3-piece suits all the time when he was the governor of the reserve bank. Yes, that is the reason why he was chosen, because of his clothes and personality when there were many better economists available. Of course, now it seems there was another set of considerations, but that is not the point of debate here.
Consider these points with an open mind. This is what the reality is.
From India, Mumbai
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I can't relate your post to the subject you have posted "Is personality a factor of judging a person's productivity?"
Both the variables are totally unrelated and cannot be compared. When you went for an interview, HR personnel didn't interview you to check your productivity. Productivity can only be measured after working for some time. So, if HR personnel wanted to measure your productivity, he would have hired you for 3-6 months and then checked your productivity. Since it wasn't the case, I would say he didn't discriminate, but it was his personal bias that came into the picture. I've seen lots of Muslim friends of mine who don't wear a cap or grow a beard, but I haven't seen a single Sikh friend of mine who goes out without wearing a turban (Turban is mandatory for older siblings, by the way) or a beard. So yeah, people who follow Sikhism compulsorily grow a beard and wear a turban, but that is not the case with Islamism.
He didn't check your productivity.
He didn't reject you based on discriminating ideas.
One can't judge productivity based on personality.
Both are totally different.
Hope my points are clear. All the best for your future. :)
From India, Mumbai
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Both the variables are totally unrelated and cannot be compared. When you went for an interview, HR personnel didn't interview you to check your productivity. Productivity can only be measured after working for some time. So, if HR personnel wanted to measure your productivity, he would have hired you for 3-6 months and then checked your productivity. Since it wasn't the case, I would say he didn't discriminate, but it was his personal bias that came into the picture. I've seen lots of Muslim friends of mine who don't wear a cap or grow a beard, but I haven't seen a single Sikh friend of mine who goes out without wearing a turban (Turban is mandatory for older siblings, by the way) or a beard. So yeah, people who follow Sikhism compulsorily grow a beard and wear a turban, but that is not the case with Islamism.
He didn't check your productivity.
He didn't reject you based on discriminating ideas.
One can't judge productivity based on personality.
Both are totally different.
Hope my points are clear. All the best for your future. :)
From India, Mumbai
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Mr. Deen Mohammad,
I have seen umpteen cases where Indian Muslims are treated as B Grade Muslims in the Middle East.
Despite the supposition that Muslims are supposed to be casteless, the Muslim society has all kinds of discriminations within the society and region-wise.
In the Middle East, non-Muslims are not permitted to be seen eating during the Ramzan time. Isn't that discrimination?
Anyways, coming to your story... It may be true that the company didn't select you based on your appearance. But also, I have seen so many Muslims, although rejected on the basis of competency, go on complaining about discrimination.
Indian companies are fairly secular in their culture as is the country, and it would be good if you stop looking at your Motherland through such a narrow prism.
There is nothing wrong if a company expects its personnel to appear in a certain way.
I have served in the Indian Army for 21 years. Everyone is free to follow his religion, but everyone is expected to dress in a certain way. Yet the Army is the best secular model for the country.
Comparison with Sikhs or Gandhi is irrelevant. Yes, if you do something as great as Gandhi, then people will accept you for that.
You can be a clean-shaven Muslim like APJ Abdul Kalam/Mohammad Yunus (Nobel Prize - Bangladesh) and contribute to the country/society.
Unfortunately, a number of youth find it fashionable to put on external religious symbols like a cap or beard and think that they are very religious.
I think religion has more to do with deeds than dress and looks.
If you want to be remembered like Gandhi, then do something good for the world so that people remember you as a good human being.
As Kennedy said, "Don't ask what the country can do for you... ask what you can do for the country."
From India, Delhi
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I have seen umpteen cases where Indian Muslims are treated as B Grade Muslims in the Middle East.
Despite the supposition that Muslims are supposed to be casteless, the Muslim society has all kinds of discriminations within the society and region-wise.
In the Middle East, non-Muslims are not permitted to be seen eating during the Ramzan time. Isn't that discrimination?
Anyways, coming to your story... It may be true that the company didn't select you based on your appearance. But also, I have seen so many Muslims, although rejected on the basis of competency, go on complaining about discrimination.
Indian companies are fairly secular in their culture as is the country, and it would be good if you stop looking at your Motherland through such a narrow prism.
There is nothing wrong if a company expects its personnel to appear in a certain way.
I have served in the Indian Army for 21 years. Everyone is free to follow his religion, but everyone is expected to dress in a certain way. Yet the Army is the best secular model for the country.
Comparison with Sikhs or Gandhi is irrelevant. Yes, if you do something as great as Gandhi, then people will accept you for that.
You can be a clean-shaven Muslim like APJ Abdul Kalam/Mohammad Yunus (Nobel Prize - Bangladesh) and contribute to the country/society.
Unfortunately, a number of youth find it fashionable to put on external religious symbols like a cap or beard and think that they are very religious.
I think religion has more to do with deeds than dress and looks.
If you want to be remembered like Gandhi, then do something good for the world so that people remember you as a good human being.
As Kennedy said, "Don't ask what the country can do for you... ask what you can do for the country."
From India, Delhi
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Dear senior members,
In the present scenario, a person's personality, including their appearance, body language, communication skills, conversational style, the way they express ideas, mental state when meeting strangers, ability to handle challenging situations, etc., holds significant importance for recruiters. Companies aim to hire the best employees to excel among the top competitors. Recruiters strive not to overlook any criteria in selecting skilled individuals.
However, selection should not be influenced by discrimination based on religion. Choosing candidates based on caste or religious discrimination is inappropriate. Selection criteria should not solely rely on theoretical knowledge acquired during academic studies; rather, it should focus on talent, work proficiency, and the necessary skills.
It is widely acknowledged that such discriminatory practices exist at the grassroots level. While not prevalent in all sectors, it is evident in some instances. Education plays a pivotal role in eradicating this issue. Promoting higher education nationwide is crucial to preventing such misjudgments. Uniform rules should apply to all individuals, irrespective of their religious affiliations.
Thank you.
From India, Hajipur
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In the present scenario, a person's personality, including their appearance, body language, communication skills, conversational style, the way they express ideas, mental state when meeting strangers, ability to handle challenging situations, etc., holds significant importance for recruiters. Companies aim to hire the best employees to excel among the top competitors. Recruiters strive not to overlook any criteria in selecting skilled individuals.
However, selection should not be influenced by discrimination based on religion. Choosing candidates based on caste or religious discrimination is inappropriate. Selection criteria should not solely rely on theoretical knowledge acquired during academic studies; rather, it should focus on talent, work proficiency, and the necessary skills.
It is widely acknowledged that such discriminatory practices exist at the grassroots level. While not prevalent in all sectors, it is evident in some instances. Education plays a pivotal role in eradicating this issue. Promoting higher education nationwide is crucial to preventing such misjudgments. Uniform rules should apply to all individuals, irrespective of their religious affiliations.
Thank you.
From India, Hajipur
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Dear AHDM,
Today, a particular job is not just limited to skills, knowledge, or intellectual assets. Overall personality and intellect are considered. For example, a person working in show business or the service industry (such as hotels and tourism) needs to be well-groomed (clean-shaven, with cropped hair, etc.). For women, simple jewelry, a good face, and physical attributes are also important.
Can a person be employed wearing shorts with their knees exposed in a mosque? No, they cannot because the prerequisite according to Islam is that the knees should be covered. Can a female employee be hired to work inside a mosque? No, as females are not allowed inside mosques.
Reason: Job descriptions and job specifications for the mentioned positions have certain prerequisites that need to be fulfilled. Similarly, the jobs for which you were interviewed might have similar prerequisites.
"How does a person's personality play a major role in their job productivity and in judging their competencies before being recruited?"
Answer: To understand this, consider examples like Miss World and Miss Universe. Some winners of these titles were not fair in complexion (no offense intended to anyone for being black), yet they were chosen as winners. Mr. Obama is a fine example of this.
Personality is not just about outer appearance but also about a person's internal qualities. In every field, there are both good and bad people. Those who make you feel inferior due to your appearance are not professionals. Rejections are based on job specifications by professionals.
Thank you.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
From India, Pune
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Today, a particular job is not just limited to skills, knowledge, or intellectual assets. Overall personality and intellect are considered. For example, a person working in show business or the service industry (such as hotels and tourism) needs to be well-groomed (clean-shaven, with cropped hair, etc.). For women, simple jewelry, a good face, and physical attributes are also important.
Can a person be employed wearing shorts with their knees exposed in a mosque? No, they cannot because the prerequisite according to Islam is that the knees should be covered. Can a female employee be hired to work inside a mosque? No, as females are not allowed inside mosques.
Reason: Job descriptions and job specifications for the mentioned positions have certain prerequisites that need to be fulfilled. Similarly, the jobs for which you were interviewed might have similar prerequisites.
"How does a person's personality play a major role in their job productivity and in judging their competencies before being recruited?"
Answer: To understand this, consider examples like Miss World and Miss Universe. Some winners of these titles were not fair in complexion (no offense intended to anyone for being black), yet they were chosen as winners. Mr. Obama is a fine example of this.
Personality is not just about outer appearance but also about a person's internal qualities. In every field, there are both good and bad people. Those who make you feel inferior due to your appearance are not professionals. Rejections are based on job specifications by professionals.
Thank you.
Best regards,
[Your Name]
From India, Pune
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Hi Deen Md.,
As most of the seniors in this thread have shared their views. However, while I was reading this post, a thought struck my mind. Here we are talking about human beings, but when we visit holy places, whether it be a Mosque, Temple, or Church, we have to be in a different attire... Agreed? Every day you go to bed, you need to get into your night suit... Agreed? Find out answers for my questions, and the same will be the answer for your post or doubt...
From India, Chennai
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As most of the seniors in this thread have shared their views. However, while I was reading this post, a thought struck my mind. Here we are talking about human beings, but when we visit holy places, whether it be a Mosque, Temple, or Church, we have to be in a different attire... Agreed? Every day you go to bed, you need to get into your night suit... Agreed? Find out answers for my questions, and the same will be the answer for your post or doubt...
From India, Chennai
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In addition to my previous post, I just want to clarify the definition of personality. All individuals are different; however, you are mentioning appearance here. Yes, appearance does matter. For instance, the examples you gave, MG or Manmohan Singh, they were always well-dressed. The attire might be different, but both of them, or any successful individual, has to show a pleasant appearance.
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