Hi Captain,
This topic has received a lot of responses all directing towards the same way. I agree with all of them, despite different opinions. I would like to say that the argument between bookworms and street-smart personnel has been an age-old topic. Time and again, street-smart executives have proven to be more efficient than bookworms. There are a lot of really brilliant and talented MBAs that graduate from some of the best colleges in our country. On the other hand, there are some who obtain the same MBA but struggle to efficiently create a practical financial year budget while on the job. Ponder over this, and it may make sense that what you stated is very ambiguous, and you cannot generalize.
Cheers!
From India, Hyderabad
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This topic has received a lot of responses all directing towards the same way. I agree with all of them, despite different opinions. I would like to say that the argument between bookworms and street-smart personnel has been an age-old topic. Time and again, street-smart executives have proven to be more efficient than bookworms. There are a lot of really brilliant and talented MBAs that graduate from some of the best colleges in our country. On the other hand, there are some who obtain the same MBA but struggle to efficiently create a practical financial year budget while on the job. Ponder over this, and it may make sense that what you stated is very ambiguous, and you cannot generalize.
Cheers!
From India, Hyderabad
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Mr. Cook,
All I have to say is, stop cooking these stories and do not prejudge anyone. It is important for you to understand that you are on a public forum and your comments are about our country. Your lack of knowledge on the matter also displays your level of thinking. Please get into details; it is people who do wrong things, not the country as a whole. Your country cannot be blamed for the presumptions you are making about our country.
Sapna Agrawal
From India, Jaipur
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All I have to say is, stop cooking these stories and do not prejudge anyone. It is important for you to understand that you are on a public forum and your comments are about our country. Your lack of knowledge on the matter also displays your level of thinking. Please get into details; it is people who do wrong things, not the country as a whole. Your country cannot be blamed for the presumptions you are making about our country.
Sapna Agrawal
From India, Jaipur
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Mr. Captain Cook, Just because of a few dirty fish, you cannot blame the whole pond. There are a few immoral citizens in every country; just because of them, how can you blame the whole nation? You have got a wrong picture of INDIA. I think you really need to know about the real India, so read on:
Some interesting facts about India:
- The number of companies listed on the Bombay Stock Exchange, at more than 6,000, is second only to NYSE.
- Four out of 10 Silicon Valley startups are run by Indians.
- With 800 movies per year, India's film industry overshadows Hollywood.
- The organized lottery market in India is US$7bn (2% of GDP).
- India consumes a fifth of the world's gold output.
- Indians account for 45% of H1-B visas issued by the US every year.
- Growing at 6%, in 25 years Indian GDP (on a PPP basis) will be at the same level as the US is today.
- Seven Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 12 years. No other country has won more than twice.
- Bank deposits in India roughly equal 50% of its GDP, again, among the highest in the world.
- Indian Railways is the largest railway network in the world under single management.
- India has the third-largest army in the world, nearly 1.5 million strong.
- India is the largest producer and consumer of tea in the world, accounting for more than 30% of global production and 25% of consumption.
- India is the world's premier center for diamond cutting and polishing. Nine out of every 10 stones sold in the world pass through India.
- India has the highest number of annual bulk drugs filings (77) with USFDA.
- India is home to the largest number of pharmaceutical plants (61) approved by USFDA outside the US.
- India's Hero Honda is the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer, with 2002 production of 1.7m units.
- Other than the US and Japan, India is the only country to have built a supercomputer indigenously.
- Indian Railways is the largest employer in the world, with a staff of 1.6 million people.
- It is the second-largest cement-producing country in the world, producing more than 110m tonnes.
- Of the Fortune 500 companies, 270 outsource their software-related work to India.
- There are 8,500 Indian restaurants in the UK, 15% of the country's total dining-out establishments.
- India is the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 400m voting in the last national elections.
- India has the second-largest pool of scientists and engineers in the world.
- India has the third-largest investor base in the world.
- According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds.
- The Kumbh Mela festival, held every 12 years in the city of Allahabad, attracts 25 million people, more than the population of 185 of the 227 countries in the world.
- The Indian city of Varanasi, also known as Benares, is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world today.
- There are 3.22 million Indians in the US.
- Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.
- India is ranked the sixth country in the world in terms of satellite launches.
- There are over 70,000 bank branches in India - among the highest in the world.
I LOVE MY INDIA.....
From India, Mumbai
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39Some interesting facts about India:
- The number of companies listed on the Bombay Stock Exchange, at more than 6,000, is second only to NYSE.
- Four out of 10 Silicon Valley startups are run by Indians.
- With 800 movies per year, India's film industry overshadows Hollywood.
- The organized lottery market in India is US$7bn (2% of GDP).
- India consumes a fifth of the world's gold output.
- Indians account for 45% of H1-B visas issued by the US every year.
- Growing at 6%, in 25 years Indian GDP (on a PPP basis) will be at the same level as the US is today.
- Seven Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 12 years. No other country has won more than twice.
- Bank deposits in India roughly equal 50% of its GDP, again, among the highest in the world.
- Indian Railways is the largest railway network in the world under single management.
- India has the third-largest army in the world, nearly 1.5 million strong.
- India is the largest producer and consumer of tea in the world, accounting for more than 30% of global production and 25% of consumption.
- India is the world's premier center for diamond cutting and polishing. Nine out of every 10 stones sold in the world pass through India.
- India has the highest number of annual bulk drugs filings (77) with USFDA.
- India is home to the largest number of pharmaceutical plants (61) approved by USFDA outside the US.
- India's Hero Honda is the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer, with 2002 production of 1.7m units.
- Other than the US and Japan, India is the only country to have built a supercomputer indigenously.
- Indian Railways is the largest employer in the world, with a staff of 1.6 million people.
- It is the second-largest cement-producing country in the world, producing more than 110m tonnes.
- Of the Fortune 500 companies, 270 outsource their software-related work to India.
- There are 8,500 Indian restaurants in the UK, 15% of the country's total dining-out establishments.
- India is the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 400m voting in the last national elections.
- India has the second-largest pool of scientists and engineers in the world.
- India has the third-largest investor base in the world.
- According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds.
- The Kumbh Mela festival, held every 12 years in the city of Allahabad, attracts 25 million people, more than the population of 185 of the 227 countries in the world.
- The Indian city of Varanasi, also known as Benares, is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world today.
- There are 3.22 million Indians in the US.
- Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.
- India is ranked the sixth country in the world in terms of satellite launches.
- There are over 70,000 bank branches in India - among the highest in the world.
I LOVE MY INDIA.....
From India, Mumbai
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Quotes about India:
Albert Einstein said: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain said: "India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grandmother of tradition. Our most valuable and most destructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
French scholar Romain Rolland said: "If there is one place on the face of the earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to the USA, said: "India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
From India, Mumbai
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Albert Einstein said: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain said: "India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grandmother of tradition. Our most valuable and most destructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
French scholar Romain Rolland said: "If there is one place on the face of the earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to the USA, said: "India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
From India, Mumbai
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Friends, thank you once again for so many responses. I appreciate your concern regarding my misunderstanding of Indians working abroad.
Actually, the people I met from India working in the Middle East, specifically, are totally different from your understanding of them. The individuals I encountered in the Middle East have nothing to do with any qualifications; they are an economic migrant workforce. When there is a scarcity of qualified doctors and engineers, I observed that they import relevant technicians, such as medical compounders, and falsely present them as doctors by providing fake certificates to place them in hospitals. I witnessed one of them being caught and deported to India, only to be caught again in India for the same offense. In the Middle East, many recruiting agencies are operated by Keralite people who push their own, even technicians or so-called "Mistry," to be projected as engineers based on fake certificates. Essentially, these certificates are useless, as these individuals are recruited for work permits or "Iqma" to fill the shortage of skills approved by the government for a particular company.
Therefore, even if someone is a doctor, they may be issued a work permit for a driver or messenger. Similarly, some engineers may end up working under a work permit for electricians because the company already has someone else under an engineer work permit in the allotted quota.
Hence, there is a shortage of manpower in the Middle East due to the unwillingness of Arabs to work in such positions and the lack of properly educated individuals. Consequently, people are hired from various countries, including India, the Philippines, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh. However, most of them are using fake certifications belonging to their relatives who are employed in India by the government, and so on.
Captaincook
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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Actually, the people I met from India working in the Middle East, specifically, are totally different from your understanding of them. The individuals I encountered in the Middle East have nothing to do with any qualifications; they are an economic migrant workforce. When there is a scarcity of qualified doctors and engineers, I observed that they import relevant technicians, such as medical compounders, and falsely present them as doctors by providing fake certificates to place them in hospitals. I witnessed one of them being caught and deported to India, only to be caught again in India for the same offense. In the Middle East, many recruiting agencies are operated by Keralite people who push their own, even technicians or so-called "Mistry," to be projected as engineers based on fake certificates. Essentially, these certificates are useless, as these individuals are recruited for work permits or "Iqma" to fill the shortage of skills approved by the government for a particular company.
Therefore, even if someone is a doctor, they may be issued a work permit for a driver or messenger. Similarly, some engineers may end up working under a work permit for electricians because the company already has someone else under an engineer work permit in the allotted quota.
Hence, there is a shortage of manpower in the Middle East due to the unwillingness of Arabs to work in such positions and the lack of properly educated individuals. Consequently, people are hired from various countries, including India, the Philippines, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh. However, most of them are using fake certifications belonging to their relatives who are employed in India by the government, and so on.
Captaincook
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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Hi, Mr. Captain-cook
If you are doing any study upon India and its people, better get deep into its facts & realities and not upon the phony statements and comments of some Tom, Dick or Harry.
If you really peer into this country you may hit upon the most Qualified and Skilled personalities than in any part of the world.
As of Dubai progress the real brains behind are of the Indians who have taught them the way to utilize their economy.
The patients flowing in from other countries for treatments are with whole hearted faith and buoyancy they have in Indian doctors rather than the wealthy and expensive hospitals and treatments offered in other part of the world.
The towering amount of Indian Engineers and Doctors all over the world are well compete enough to challenge the world with their propitious skill which the world has already witnessed.
Consequently, we do not feel that any one would be tolerable to toss or hurl any unconstructive comment staying on the foundation of indistinct and blurred information’s.
From Nigeria, Abuja
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If you are doing any study upon India and its people, better get deep into its facts & realities and not upon the phony statements and comments of some Tom, Dick or Harry.
If you really peer into this country you may hit upon the most Qualified and Skilled personalities than in any part of the world.
As of Dubai progress the real brains behind are of the Indians who have taught them the way to utilize their economy.
The patients flowing in from other countries for treatments are with whole hearted faith and buoyancy they have in Indian doctors rather than the wealthy and expensive hospitals and treatments offered in other part of the world.
The towering amount of Indian Engineers and Doctors all over the world are well compete enough to challenge the world with their propitious skill which the world has already witnessed.
Consequently, we do not feel that any one would be tolerable to toss or hurl any unconstructive comment staying on the foundation of indistinct and blurred information’s.
From Nigeria, Abuja
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Hello Captain,
Reading your posts, it just struck me, maybe there is truth in what you are saying because despite the outbursts by so many, you still stick to your line. If what you are saying is true, then I should say that Dubai is the best place to get a job with fake degrees and certificates. Doesn't your government have some verification process? Don't you guys take some tests or interviews before you employ people? Instead of blaming the people who come and join you, I think you should look for answers within and ask the government to have stringent standards for selection.
Besides, give a thought to what Mr. Madhu said regarding the workforce in Kerala who are educated but unemployed and, for economic reasons, are ready to go and do blue-collar work there and gradually move up to the right kind of work commensurate with their qualifications.
Regards,
Colonel Sajan....BTW this colonel is not fake, but your Captain could be!!
From India, Hyderabad
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Reading your posts, it just struck me, maybe there is truth in what you are saying because despite the outbursts by so many, you still stick to your line. If what you are saying is true, then I should say that Dubai is the best place to get a job with fake degrees and certificates. Doesn't your government have some verification process? Don't you guys take some tests or interviews before you employ people? Instead of blaming the people who come and join you, I think you should look for answers within and ask the government to have stringent standards for selection.
Besides, give a thought to what Mr. Madhu said regarding the workforce in Kerala who are educated but unemployed and, for economic reasons, are ready to go and do blue-collar work there and gradually move up to the right kind of work commensurate with their qualifications.
Regards,
Colonel Sajan....BTW this colonel is not fake, but your Captain could be!!
From India, Hyderabad
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Hi,
Sorry, in my last post, the word should have read as "commensurate" and not "commensurating."
Another thought regarding degrees. While degrees are necessary, they are not essential for doing well in life in certain professions. Bill Gates did not have a degree when he founded Microsoft. Neither do the dabbawallahs of Mumbai have any degree, yet they have Six Sigma certification. Your neighborhood veggie seller can teach us about customer service and relationship management better than a professor on the subject.
So, it is not surprising to see enterprising people starting as drivers and ending up as managers of a transport company. Do they really need a degree? I think they would do better than most MBAs based on their sheer hands-on experience. But yes, for a profession like medicine, we do need qualified people.
Your take now, Captain.
Sajan
From India, Hyderabad
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Sorry, in my last post, the word should have read as "commensurate" and not "commensurating."
Another thought regarding degrees. While degrees are necessary, they are not essential for doing well in life in certain professions. Bill Gates did not have a degree when he founded Microsoft. Neither do the dabbawallahs of Mumbai have any degree, yet they have Six Sigma certification. Your neighborhood veggie seller can teach us about customer service and relationship management better than a professor on the subject.
So, it is not surprising to see enterprising people starting as drivers and ending up as managers of a transport company. Do they really need a degree? I think they would do better than most MBAs based on their sheer hands-on experience. But yes, for a profession like medicine, we do need qualified people.
Your take now, Captain.
Sajan
From India, Hyderabad
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Even to get into a small company in India, candidates need to go through a rigorous background check. Any discrepancy in the same will result in the candidate not being offered the position. It is very surprising that if a candidate with fake certificates cannot get into an Indian company, he can easily go to the Middle East (known for strict laws and implementation), get a work permit, and work.
Mr. Cook, before blaming others, try to get your country's laws in place.
Don't blame the thief for robbing you; blame yourself for being careless.
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Mr. Cook, before blaming others, try to get your country's laws in place.
Don't blame the thief for robbing you; blame yourself for being careless.
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Thank you, gentlemen, for your feedback.
I am not Middle Eastern, but it's our general impression that when we see crooks around in the Middle East, we think it's a trend here in third world countries due to a lack of know-how and intellectual capital. People do any job without proper qualifications.
Actually, for work permits in the Middle East, no qualifications are verified, and authenticity is not counter-checked at any point in time. Organizations here are granted employment visas to engage employees in skills shortage jobs listed by the labor department. Recruitment agencies camouflage candidates with fake identities and certifications because the only thing that matters is entry to the UAE or Middle Eastern countries and subsequent work permits as messengers, drivers, laborers, operators, etc., which is totally manipulated. Even highly qualified people such as engineers and doctors work as technicians and electricians on work permits because someone else may be using a doctor's or engineer's work permit, perhaps as a driver or operator, using that quota of a particular organization. If I were an employer, I could recruit people with fake organization registration. Many local Arabs are selling these visas to people or agents to further sell to the migrant workforce from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, who spend over 200,000 to 300,000 for migration and work permits to work here, and they work here as barbers for over 7 to 8 years to recover these expenses of buying visas permits from Arabs.
I do not intend to abuse anyone, but to share the truth, I can say if poor fraudulent people can migrate, why can't genuine people migrate and earn more money instead of fraudulent people.
Warm regards,
Captain
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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I am not Middle Eastern, but it's our general impression that when we see crooks around in the Middle East, we think it's a trend here in third world countries due to a lack of know-how and intellectual capital. People do any job without proper qualifications.
Actually, for work permits in the Middle East, no qualifications are verified, and authenticity is not counter-checked at any point in time. Organizations here are granted employment visas to engage employees in skills shortage jobs listed by the labor department. Recruitment agencies camouflage candidates with fake identities and certifications because the only thing that matters is entry to the UAE or Middle Eastern countries and subsequent work permits as messengers, drivers, laborers, operators, etc., which is totally manipulated. Even highly qualified people such as engineers and doctors work as technicians and electricians on work permits because someone else may be using a doctor's or engineer's work permit, perhaps as a driver or operator, using that quota of a particular organization. If I were an employer, I could recruit people with fake organization registration. Many local Arabs are selling these visas to people or agents to further sell to the migrant workforce from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, who spend over 200,000 to 300,000 for migration and work permits to work here, and they work here as barbers for over 7 to 8 years to recover these expenses of buying visas permits from Arabs.
I do not intend to abuse anyone, but to share the truth, I can say if poor fraudulent people can migrate, why can't genuine people migrate and earn more money instead of fraudulent people.
Warm regards,
Captain
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
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