Dear All
I believe that, at this point in time the matter that needs to be discussed is what has been presented to us. We should see it for from the point of view of a case study, a case study with multiple level methods of interpretation, and interpretation of such nature that all can be wrong or all can be right, but each are different from other based upon the amount of falsity and truth in the interpretation.
We should not worry about how the content is presented, and how should have the contend be presented, but should be concerned about what is in the content.
We have the choice of judging the case on the basis of its content and suggest a solution, or can concentrate on words, methods of communication, and miss the larger picture.
The author of the post has sought our opinion, and we need to provide a solution, based on what is produced for analysis.
No matter what justification is provided, prima-facie on the basis of what is produced in here, the HR manager is at fault.
Lets decide the matter based on facts and lets emotions be set aside while dealing with a case study.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
576I believe that, at this point in time the matter that needs to be discussed is what has been presented to us. We should see it for from the point of view of a case study, a case study with multiple level methods of interpretation, and interpretation of such nature that all can be wrong or all can be right, but each are different from other based upon the amount of falsity and truth in the interpretation.
We should not worry about how the content is presented, and how should have the contend be presented, but should be concerned about what is in the content.
We have the choice of judging the case on the basis of its content and suggest a solution, or can concentrate on words, methods of communication, and miss the larger picture.
The author of the post has sought our opinion, and we need to provide a solution, based on what is produced for analysis.
No matter what justification is provided, prima-facie on the basis of what is produced in here, the HR manager is at fault.
Lets decide the matter based on facts and lets emotions be set aside while dealing with a case study.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
Let me put "The cat among the pigeons" as it were and raise a question. What is the motive of the blogger, who protected the identity of the applicant, but was forthcoming with the name of the individual HR person. Does
(s)he have any axe to grind? Being the cynic I am, I raise that question.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
From United Kingdom
(s)he have any axe to grind? Being the cynic I am, I raise that question.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
From United Kingdom
Dear Simhan
I as a person, is not concerned with what motive the person has made the post. But as a person I am more concerned with what the person has to say.
Because I am trying to find a solution to the query raised by the author,and not trying to find the authenticity of the author who made the post.
And thats the reason that I said, lets take this query on as it is basis and treat it as case study and let not run high on emotions.
It is possible that the author of the post knowingly or unknowingly forgot to remove the name of the HR person.
If he has done this knowingly then it wrong on his part to do so, no matter how professionally wrong the HR person might be. If he has done it unknowingly then we have not much to do or say, and as moderator you have done the needful.
Also there is no way we can find out if the act of not removing the name was knowingly or unknowingly.
So under the benefit of doubt and lack of other evidence, I believe him to be innocent as per the principles of natural justice.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
I as a person, is not concerned with what motive the person has made the post. But as a person I am more concerned with what the person has to say.
Because I am trying to find a solution to the query raised by the author,and not trying to find the authenticity of the author who made the post.
And thats the reason that I said, lets take this query on as it is basis and treat it as case study and let not run high on emotions.
It is possible that the author of the post knowingly or unknowingly forgot to remove the name of the HR person.
If he has done this knowingly then it wrong on his part to do so, no matter how professionally wrong the HR person might be. If he has done it unknowingly then we have not much to do or say, and as moderator you have done the needful.
Also there is no way we can find out if the act of not removing the name was knowingly or unknowingly.
So under the benefit of doubt and lack of other evidence, I believe him to be innocent as per the principles of natural justice.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
What is both EASY as well as DIFFICULT in life? ? ? ? . . . . . .
MISTAKE . . . .
EASY To Judge When Others Do It. . . . . . . . . .
DIFFICULT To Recognize and Realize When We Do It .
Don't be afraid to admit when you know you are wrong.
It is not a sign of weakness,
but shows character and responsibility.
Others will respect you for that.
In most of the cases, i have seen people defending individuals holding similar positions but never, one tried to correct their mistakes or support those who are less in grade.
I have query to be solved
1) who has given rights to MANAGER to behave RUDELY with employees
2) Why employee can't behave the way their superiors behave?
3) Why we don't adopt a process of inculcating good habits in our employees by educating them?
What kind of world, are we living in..............every where BIASED DECISIONS/CONCLUSIONS....
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
MISTAKE . . . .
EASY To Judge When Others Do It. . . . . . . . . .
DIFFICULT To Recognize and Realize When We Do It .
Don't be afraid to admit when you know you are wrong.
It is not a sign of weakness,
but shows character and responsibility.
Others will respect you for that.
In most of the cases, i have seen people defending individuals holding similar positions but never, one tried to correct their mistakes or support those who are less in grade.
I have query to be solved
1) who has given rights to MANAGER to behave RUDELY with employees
2) Why employee can't behave the way their superiors behave?
3) Why we don't adopt a process of inculcating good habits in our employees by educating them?
What kind of world, are we living in..............every where BIASED DECISIONS/CONCLUSIONS....
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Dear all,
As per my view if you are working in HR department then you should carry passion at your fingers. Because when a new employee joins a company then only the HR department can perform the duties in very friendly manner and give the comfort zone to employee.
Whatever this HR person has done it is not ethical and it is very wrong.Always Remember The First word of HR is H and it stand for human then make sure be a human first and do not treat anybody in this manner.
From India, Gurgaon
As per my view if you are working in HR department then you should carry passion at your fingers. Because when a new employee joins a company then only the HR department can perform the duties in very friendly manner and give the comfort zone to employee.
Whatever this HR person has done it is not ethical and it is very wrong.Always Remember The First word of HR is H and it stand for human then make sure be a human first and do not treat anybody in this manner.
From India, Gurgaon
You are 101% right and i appreciate your maturity level..............I hope others do follow the same approach....This is the only way to bring changes in individuals and "IT IS 100001% POSSIBLE".
IF WE GIVE RESPECT ....IN RETURN WE WILL RECEIVE RESPECT...but only few are habitual of respecting others, irrespective of the situations/circumstances........because they know "VALUE of RESPECTING INDIVIDUALS" and "RESPECT SHOULD COME FROM OUR HEART".
"EMOTION LESS LIFE is a LIFE(body) without SOUL"
NO EMOTION.......NO LOVE
NO LOVE........NO RESPECT
NO RESPECT.......NO DISCIPLINE
NO DISCIPLINE...........NOTHING WILL BE UNDER CONTROL...
My views/suggestions are practical(truth) but not SENTIMENTS.......
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
IF WE GIVE RESPECT ....IN RETURN WE WILL RECEIVE RESPECT...but only few are habitual of respecting others, irrespective of the situations/circumstances........because they know "VALUE of RESPECTING INDIVIDUALS" and "RESPECT SHOULD COME FROM OUR HEART".
"EMOTION LESS LIFE is a LIFE(body) without SOUL"
NO EMOTION.......NO LOVE
NO LOVE........NO RESPECT
NO RESPECT.......NO DISCIPLINE
NO DISCIPLINE...........NOTHING WILL BE UNDER CONTROL...
My views/suggestions are practical(truth) but not SENTIMENTS.......
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
See, It is all just based on a mail that is being copy pasted, the HR person is vindicated..
Please let me know on what basis, have we decided that the HR PErson is wrong.
Hangman job is to Hang. he cannot avoid it.
HR PErson was right in asking the documents.
The mail mentions that just because of some festival, he is not able to bring the documents.
I am wondering, What the festival has to do with this Guy bringing his own documents for his own job,,
He should feel bad about himself, that he was not able to give Self Respect.
He had to cut a sorry figure in front of the other person
On top of all this, he is annoyed with the treatment of HR PERSON.
Let the member who has posted the query, also mention what words of the HR PERSON was arrogant & what made him annoyed..
If a question has been asked to me, whether i will hire the person or not, I would better not hire him....
From India, Coimbatore
Please let me know on what basis, have we decided that the HR PErson is wrong.
Hangman job is to Hang. he cannot avoid it.
HR PErson was right in asking the documents.
The mail mentions that just because of some festival, he is not able to bring the documents.
I am wondering, What the festival has to do with this Guy bringing his own documents for his own job,,
He should feel bad about himself, that he was not able to give Self Respect.
He had to cut a sorry figure in front of the other person
On top of all this, he is annoyed with the treatment of HR PERSON.
Let the member who has posted the query, also mention what words of the HR PERSON was arrogant & what made him annoyed..
If a question has been asked to me, whether i will hire the person or not, I would better not hire him....
From India, Coimbatore
Janaab Peer Mohamed Sardhar saheb,
Please find my reply in your post, marked with purple color..
I sincerely hope that, we all are matured professionals and lets make others feel "VALUE OF BEING MATURED"...Never think NEGATIVE and we should learn to support the FACT BASED ON TRUTH/HONESTY/SINCERITY....
Enjoy sharing knowledge.......GOOD LUCK
With profound regards
Please find my
From India, Chennai
Please find my reply in your post, marked with purple color..
I sincerely hope that, we all are matured professionals and lets make others feel "VALUE OF BEING MATURED"...Never think NEGATIVE and we should learn to support the FACT BASED ON TRUTH/HONESTY/SINCERITY....
Enjoy sharing knowledge.......GOOD LUCK
With profound regards
Please find my
From India, Chennai
I think the attitude of the complainant is typical of individuals who are irresponsible and do not adhere to guidelines or instructions. In case there was a requirement to present ones documents on the day of joining, then our aggrieved friend should have done so and not cribbed when rightly ticked off by the HR guy. I think an apology would be in order, also in case the HR guy has spoken rudely or used derogatory language then he too needs to be suitably asked to refrain from doing so in the future. BE MORE RESPONSIBLE AND PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS GUYS.
Take care
Viren
From India, Bhopal
Take care
Viren
From India, Bhopal
Dear All
This entire topic has now deviated and snowballed in to something else.
What is happening now is, that there seems to be a cartel formation happening, more of a ghetto attitude is showcased then a professional approach.
Hope people come to normalcy soon, and again start understanding the matter on as it is basis, and not go deep doing superlative analysis.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
This entire topic has now deviated and snowballed in to something else.
What is happening now is, that there seems to be a cartel formation happening, more of a ghetto attitude is showcased then a professional approach.
Hope people come to normalcy soon, and again start understanding the matter on as it is basis, and not go deep doing superlative analysis.
Regards
Octavious
From India, Mumbai
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