Hi,
I have resigned from my organization. I am having 2 months of notice period and and I want to move out of my organization within 16 days.
Now my manager says that he can't leave me before 2 months even I am ready to pay the notice period. Please tell me what should be my approach?
Warm Regards,
Dhiraj Karmalkar
From India, Pune
I have resigned from my organization. I am having 2 months of notice period and and I want to move out of my organization within 16 days.
Now my manager says that he can't leave me before 2 months even I am ready to pay the notice period. Please tell me what should be my approach?
Warm Regards,
Dhiraj Karmalkar
From India, Pune
First off all why u r leaving your current job plz expain.If you have got better oppurtunities than ur current job try to Convinces ur manager in a better way.
From India, Nasik
48From India, Nasik
and tried explaining him in better way. but I am feeling he is taking in other way, I mean we are 3 of joining that new job from same company although we have resigned different point of time.
I tried everything to explain him but he is saying to compete the work which is assigned to you. and this work is something which can't be done in next 6 months !
and HR is saying if you leaving without manager's permission they will not give me Relieving letter and experience letter.
Regards,
Dhiraj
From India, Pune
I tried everything to explain him but he is saying to compete the work which is assigned to you. and this work is something which can't be done in next 6 months !
and HR is saying if you leaving without manager's permission they will not give me Relieving letter and experience letter.
Regards,
Dhiraj
From India, Pune
Hello Dhiraj,
Frankly I think you just thought about YOURSELF [maybe 'selfish' or 'self-centered' is the word of it]--NOT about the company you worked for so long [whatever be the duration]. Else, you would have definitely thought about the facts you mentioned [3 from you joining the some company] and how it would EFFECT your present company's IMMEDIATE activities. And you would have factored this aspect into your calculations when you gave your Acceptance. And take it from me Dhiraj--unknowingly, you would have conveyed the impression to the HR of the new company--if he can do this to his present company, he can as well do it here too. just think putting yourself in their shoes.
Pl note that I am NOT saying that one shouldn't change jobs--but more of 'how' to handle the change.
I am not sure if Smita's suggestion would work--not all companies have a Notice Period Payment clause. If your Offer has it--pl go ahead & implement her advice. But pl also go thru the Fine-Print. Most likely the immediate boss's clearance would also be one factor for relieving--in addition to the Notice-period payment.
I can see only 3 options: [1] Talk to the new Company & get some extension for joining. [2] Forego this opportunity & keep in mind ALL possible possibilities in getting Relieved while you hunt around again. [3] Forget about this exp letter--if acceptable to your new company [but pl note you will be foregoing a Reference for all time to come].
Think carefully & then decide.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Frankly I think you just thought about YOURSELF [maybe 'selfish' or 'self-centered' is the word of it]--NOT about the company you worked for so long [whatever be the duration]. Else, you would have definitely thought about the facts you mentioned [3 from you joining the some company] and how it would EFFECT your present company's IMMEDIATE activities. And you would have factored this aspect into your calculations when you gave your Acceptance. And take it from me Dhiraj--unknowingly, you would have conveyed the impression to the HR of the new company--if he can do this to his present company, he can as well do it here too. just think putting yourself in their shoes.
Pl note that I am NOT saying that one shouldn't change jobs--but more of 'how' to handle the change.
I am not sure if Smita's suggestion would work--not all companies have a Notice Period Payment clause. If your Offer has it--pl go ahead & implement her advice. But pl also go thru the Fine-Print. Most likely the immediate boss's clearance would also be one factor for relieving--in addition to the Notice-period payment.
I can see only 3 options: [1] Talk to the new Company & get some extension for joining. [2] Forego this opportunity & keep in mind ALL possible possibilities in getting Relieved while you hunt around again. [3] Forget about this exp letter--if acceptable to your new company [but pl note you will be foregoing a Reference for all time to come].
Think carefully & then decide.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Thanks Smita and TS,
I can understand the concern TS but the point is if I have to be very generous towards the company then there should be any valid point,
1. I worked with this organization for 2 yrs. Out of that I was out of my base location for 1 yrs 10 months. and didn't receive any compensation in turn.
2. In these 2 yrs, I have not taken even single day leave.
3. I worked for for almost 18 hrs for some days.
4. My wife was not well and was hospitalized and still I didn't get leave, and I used to work for whole day and used to spend night in the hospital.
5. In some of projects, I have spend money from my own pockets, and the amount is substantial.
6. After suffering all this, if you get worst appraisal then I don't think any one from the industry will think about the organization.
7. And the work that is assigned to me is 6 months work which anyways not going to finish within 2 months which is my notice period. and there are some legal complications with the party from where the piece of software bought and because of which I couldn't able to work on! and I my manager is aware of this.
8. I suggested him solution, where in there are idle resources sitting in different part of country to whom I can do the KT instead of sitting idle !
9. I have kept the option of paying against the notice period.
10. There is note in the my appointment letter as both parties can pay against the notice period and the employee can leave before 2 months until manager approves it !
Now tell me.
Thanks and Warm Regards,
Dhiraj Karmalkar
Now you suggest me. What you would have
From India, Pune
I can understand the concern TS but the point is if I have to be very generous towards the company then there should be any valid point,
1. I worked with this organization for 2 yrs. Out of that I was out of my base location for 1 yrs 10 months. and didn't receive any compensation in turn.
2. In these 2 yrs, I have not taken even single day leave.
3. I worked for for almost 18 hrs for some days.
4. My wife was not well and was hospitalized and still I didn't get leave, and I used to work for whole day and used to spend night in the hospital.
5. In some of projects, I have spend money from my own pockets, and the amount is substantial.
6. After suffering all this, if you get worst appraisal then I don't think any one from the industry will think about the organization.
7. And the work that is assigned to me is 6 months work which anyways not going to finish within 2 months which is my notice period. and there are some legal complications with the party from where the piece of software bought and because of which I couldn't able to work on! and I my manager is aware of this.
8. I suggested him solution, where in there are idle resources sitting in different part of country to whom I can do the KT instead of sitting idle !
9. I have kept the option of paying against the notice period.
10. There is note in the my appointment letter as both parties can pay against the notice period and the employee can leave before 2 months until manager approves it !
Now tell me.
Thanks and Warm Regards,
Dhiraj Karmalkar
Now you suggest me. What you would have
From India, Pune
Hi,
There is one solution for you, try to convey your New company to extend the Date of Joining for few days. By explaining in better way that you have not yet finish your project and also not handover the work profile to colleagues. If you get permission for ur new company than try to complete the project and work within a time limit.
From India, Nasik
There is one solution for you, try to convey your New company to extend the Date of Joining for few days. By explaining in better way that you have not yet finish your project and also not handover the work profile to colleagues. If you get permission for ur new company than try to complete the project and work within a time limit.
From India, Nasik
Dear Dhiraj,
As suggested by others try to explain to the new company that you would like to complete the task on hand so as not to put the present employers in trouble and that you will join themas soon as the employers find someone to takeover from you. That way you will be able to impress upon them that you are responsible and have some ethics. In the mean time write to Madhu T K at CiteHr by sending a copy of the relevant clause from your appointment or acceptance letter.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
As suggested by others try to explain to the new company that you would like to complete the task on hand so as not to put the present employers in trouble and that you will join themas soon as the employers find someone to takeover from you. That way you will be able to impress upon them that you are responsible and have some ethics. In the mean time write to Madhu T K at CiteHr by sending a copy of the relevant clause from your appointment or acceptance letter.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
A retired academic in the UK
From United Kingdom
Hi Dhiraj,
i think you should have clearly communicated to your prospective employer about your 2 months notice period. if they are ok with extension of joining date, then there should not be any problem. Just serve your mandatory notice period, and leave your organization with happy note.
Thanks,
Santosh
From India, Bangalore
i think you should have clearly communicated to your prospective employer about your 2 months notice period. if they are ok with extension of joining date, then there should not be any problem. Just serve your mandatory notice period, and leave your organization with happy note.
Thanks,
Santosh
From India, Bangalore
Hello Dhiraj,
Look what difference it makes when you put across the full & complete facts while requesting for advice/suggestions?
You have a very valid point & case to quit. But I still would say this: you could have handled it better--since it's been your exp that they did take advantage of you, you should have--sort of--expected their response if you resign. And based on what you mentioned, your boss WILL NOT give his OK for the Notice period pay-back.
Since you worked in this Company for 2 yrs--which experience isn't something one can ignore--I think you have 2 options:
1] Try to talk to the new company if they can wait for 2 months. If not, let go of it. But keep looking for new openings where the Joining time can be 4-6 weeks. All the while let the clock keep ticking here--meaning don't take your resignation back. To an extent, this will need some self-confidence on your calibre & faith in HIM too :-), that you will definitely get another job. Given the present post-recession market scenario, it may not be difficult--but it also depends on your confidence level.
2] Use this to get a better deal [Salary-wise or designation-wise] with your present company. If it's an IT company, it may not be difficult. And use the extended stay to gain more exp & then make your move after a few months, with better planning. [I did this way back in 1985 when I was in a similar situation in my first job--hence I know this can work too :-)].
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Look what difference it makes when you put across the full & complete facts while requesting for advice/suggestions?
You have a very valid point & case to quit. But I still would say this: you could have handled it better--since it's been your exp that they did take advantage of you, you should have--sort of--expected their response if you resign. And based on what you mentioned, your boss WILL NOT give his OK for the Notice period pay-back.
Since you worked in this Company for 2 yrs--which experience isn't something one can ignore--I think you have 2 options:
1] Try to talk to the new company if they can wait for 2 months. If not, let go of it. But keep looking for new openings where the Joining time can be 4-6 weeks. All the while let the clock keep ticking here--meaning don't take your resignation back. To an extent, this will need some self-confidence on your calibre & faith in HIM too :-), that you will definitely get another job. Given the present post-recession market scenario, it may not be difficult--but it also depends on your confidence level.
2] Use this to get a better deal [Salary-wise or designation-wise] with your present company. If it's an IT company, it may not be difficult. And use the extended stay to gain more exp & then make your move after a few months, with better planning. [I did this way back in 1985 when I was in a similar situation in my first job--hence I know this can work too :-)].
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Hi
As per the terms of your appointment letter, the organisation will have to relieve you as per your requirement, if you are willing to pay the company in lieu of notice period.
While it is commonly mentioned that your manager needs to agree to release you, the fact of the matter is that the employee also has the right to terminate the employment relationship by paying in lieu of notice period. This stand has been checked with our legal consultant.
Would advise you to drop a polite email mentioning that you are willing to pay towards notice pay and that you would want your relieving letter to be provided to you as per the terms of your appointment letter
Am employee can go to the labour court in case this is not provided to him after paying towards notice pay
Regards
Minia
As per the terms of your appointment letter, the organisation will have to relieve you as per your requirement, if you are willing to pay the company in lieu of notice period.
While it is commonly mentioned that your manager needs to agree to release you, the fact of the matter is that the employee also has the right to terminate the employment relationship by paying in lieu of notice period. This stand has been checked with our legal consultant.
Would advise you to drop a polite email mentioning that you are willing to pay towards notice pay and that you would want your relieving letter to be provided to you as per the terms of your appointment letter
Am employee can go to the labour court in case this is not provided to him after paying towards notice pay
Regards
Minia
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