Dear Seniors , Pls share specification for fire bucket for Electrical panel room , solvent yard etc. Regards, Abhay
From India, Mumbai
49From India, Mumbai
dear abhay,
i too don't know about this & wiating for the reply.
currently we are maintaining a steel bucket of 5kg, filled with normal sand (river sand) and having near the electrical panel room & DG's.
when coming to solvent yard, i have no experience in this industry. so I'm unable to comment.
however, if u go through the msds of the solvents, it would be specified about the type of sand that needs to be used.
for our chemicals, we are having saw dust.
for fire sand bucket, pls. follow the link, where u would get some more info.
Fire sand bucket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thanks & regards
From India, Delhi
i too don't know about this & wiating for the reply.
currently we are maintaining a steel bucket of 5kg, filled with normal sand (river sand) and having near the electrical panel room & DG's.
when coming to solvent yard, i have no experience in this industry. so I'm unable to comment.
however, if u go through the msds of the solvents, it would be specified about the type of sand that needs to be used.
for our chemicals, we are having saw dust.
for fire sand bucket, pls. follow the link, where u would get some more info.
Fire sand bucket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
thanks & regards
From India, Delhi
Dear All
I am also not having exposure to chemical plants... However I think for solvant yards fire bucket must be filled with the inert materails such as sand, clay, sawdust,stone dust etc.
I am attaching a file based on Factories Rules for your referance... Further you may refer the Factories Rules of your state for specific requiremnts...
Hope to get more clarrifications on the point from other memebrs...
@ kvsundaram
Nice explanation sir... Thanks for the same...
Regards,
Dipil Kumar V
From India
I am also not having exposure to chemical plants... However I think for solvant yards fire bucket must be filled with the inert materails such as sand, clay, sawdust,stone dust etc.
I am attaching a file based on Factories Rules for your referance... Further you may refer the Factories Rules of your state for specific requiremnts...
Hope to get more clarrifications on the point from other memebrs...
@ kvsundaram
Nice explanation sir... Thanks for the same...
Regards,
Dipil Kumar V
From India
Dear Mr Dipil/Kvsundaram ...
Thanks .
If anybody got information about Quality/Specification for sand , is Bucket required mesh at bottom ? , How to prvent entering rainwater/Fog into it ? etc pls share so that it will benificial for all of us .
Regards,
Abhay
From India, Mumbai
Thanks .
If anybody got information about Quality/Specification for sand , is Bucket required mesh at bottom ? , How to prvent entering rainwater/Fog into it ? etc pls share so that it will benificial for all of us .
Regards,
Abhay
From India, Mumbai
Dear Abhay,
I find the posting interesting.
There is an applicable Indian standard Specification #2546 (1974). There may be some amendments too.
You need a solution. A safetyman is supposed to help you with immediate solution for problems at hand and not direct you to standards, rules and regulations.
Here is it:
Fire buckets made of heavy gauge G.I, 9/10 Ltrs capacity with round bottom hanging type duly painted with white enamel inside and red enamel outside of the bucket and letters FIRE in 75mm type stamped on the body of the bucket.
This satisfies the ISI requirement.
Buckets must have suitable lids to keep closed and there by avoiding dirt and dust accumulation. This will also avoid men throwing waste into these buckets.
By having round bottom we ensure that the buckets will not be placed on the floor and ignorant employees will not use these buckets for other purposes including taking to toilets.
Have the buckets hanging on a suitable stand or use brackets to fix the buckets on the wall. Bottom of bucket should not be at more than a meter from the ground for easy handling.
You can keep any number of buckets at a location. However keep one bucket at the end empty. Frequently pour the sand from the second bucket to empty one and continue to empty till the one at other end is emptied. Next time repeat the exercise from the other end. This is to ensure that caking is avoided and sand is kept free flowing all the time. Often moisture in the atmosphere causes the caking effect and hence this exercise is advised. If you can otherwise ensure that the sand is free flowing you need not resort to this exercise.
Regards,
Kesava Pillaui
From India, Kollam
I find the posting interesting.
There is an applicable Indian standard Specification #2546 (1974). There may be some amendments too.
You need a solution. A safetyman is supposed to help you with immediate solution for problems at hand and not direct you to standards, rules and regulations.
Here is it:
Fire buckets made of heavy gauge G.I, 9/10 Ltrs capacity with round bottom hanging type duly painted with white enamel inside and red enamel outside of the bucket and letters FIRE in 75mm type stamped on the body of the bucket.
This satisfies the ISI requirement.
Buckets must have suitable lids to keep closed and there by avoiding dirt and dust accumulation. This will also avoid men throwing waste into these buckets.
By having round bottom we ensure that the buckets will not be placed on the floor and ignorant employees will not use these buckets for other purposes including taking to toilets.
Have the buckets hanging on a suitable stand or use brackets to fix the buckets on the wall. Bottom of bucket should not be at more than a meter from the ground for easy handling.
You can keep any number of buckets at a location. However keep one bucket at the end empty. Frequently pour the sand from the second bucket to empty one and continue to empty till the one at other end is emptied. Next time repeat the exercise from the other end. This is to ensure that caking is avoided and sand is kept free flowing all the time. Often moisture in the atmosphere causes the caking effect and hence this exercise is advised. If you can otherwise ensure that the sand is free flowing you need not resort to this exercise.
Regards,
Kesava Pillaui
From India, Kollam
Dear Abhay
Nicely replied by Keshav. Please check IS 2546 - Revised 2001. Also attached drawing of the same.
3. SHAPE AND ESSENTIAL DIMENSIONS
3.1 The shape and the essential dimensions of fire bucket shall
conform to those shown in Fig. 1.
4. MANUFACTURE
4.1 Body — The body shall be in two halves which shall be joined
together by butt welding. The top rim of the body shall be wired and
uniformly beaded. The beading shall be fully formed without gaps. The
thickness of body shall be 1 mm and diameter of beading wire
3.55 mm
4.2 Bottom — The bottom shall be dished and shall be joined to the
body by butt welding so that there is no raw edge or crevice on the
inside of the bucket. The thickness of the bottom sheet shall be 1 mm.
4.3 Ears — The ears shall be made of mild steel sheet and shall be
fitted to the body at the top by means of welding with the flat head on
the side. The thickness of sheet for ears shall be 2.8 mm.
4.4 Top Handle — The top handle shall be of mild steel rod of 10 mm
in diameter with its ends bent up as shown in Fig. 1.
4.5 Bottom Handle — The bottom handle shall be of mild steel rod of
10 mm in diameter and it shall be joined to the bottom by welding as
shown in Fig. 1. The grip shall have no sharp edges.
4.6 General — All gas welds shall be free from porosity, blow holes
and brittleness.
5. FINISH5.1 All parts of the bucket shall be finished smooth and sharp edges
rounded off.
5.2 The bucket shall be galvanized after manufacture as per IS : 2629-
1966*. The thickness of coating of zinc conforming to IS : 13229-1991
Specification for zinc for galvanizing on any portion shall be not less
than 0.06 g/cm2 (both sides inclusive). Alternately, it may also be
galvanized of lead tin alloy to a thickness of not less than 0.012 mm.
5.3 Bucket shall, in addition to galvanizing, be painted with two coats
of white paint on the inside and two coats of red paint on the outside
( see also 2.4 ). The handles and the ears shall be painted with two
coats of black paint.
5.3.1 The word ‘FIRE’ shall be painted in black centrally on the outside;
its letters shall be 75 mm high, and approximately 12 mm thick.
FInd the attached Specification of Bucket as per IS. Hope it clears your doubt.
Best Regards
From India, Mumbai
Nicely replied by Keshav. Please check IS 2546 - Revised 2001. Also attached drawing of the same.
3. SHAPE AND ESSENTIAL DIMENSIONS
3.1 The shape and the essential dimensions of fire bucket shall
conform to those shown in Fig. 1.
4. MANUFACTURE
4.1 Body — The body shall be in two halves which shall be joined
together by butt welding. The top rim of the body shall be wired and
uniformly beaded. The beading shall be fully formed without gaps. The
thickness of body shall be 1 mm and diameter of beading wire
3.55 mm
4.2 Bottom — The bottom shall be dished and shall be joined to the
body by butt welding so that there is no raw edge or crevice on the
inside of the bucket. The thickness of the bottom sheet shall be 1 mm.
4.3 Ears — The ears shall be made of mild steel sheet and shall be
fitted to the body at the top by means of welding with the flat head on
the side. The thickness of sheet for ears shall be 2.8 mm.
4.4 Top Handle — The top handle shall be of mild steel rod of 10 mm
in diameter with its ends bent up as shown in Fig. 1.
4.5 Bottom Handle — The bottom handle shall be of mild steel rod of
10 mm in diameter and it shall be joined to the bottom by welding as
shown in Fig. 1. The grip shall have no sharp edges.
4.6 General — All gas welds shall be free from porosity, blow holes
and brittleness.
5. FINISH5.1 All parts of the bucket shall be finished smooth and sharp edges
rounded off.
5.2 The bucket shall be galvanized after manufacture as per IS : 2629-
1966*. The thickness of coating of zinc conforming to IS : 13229-1991
Specification for zinc for galvanizing on any portion shall be not less
than 0.06 g/cm2 (both sides inclusive). Alternately, it may also be
galvanized of lead tin alloy to a thickness of not less than 0.012 mm.
5.3 Bucket shall, in addition to galvanizing, be painted with two coats
of white paint on the inside and two coats of red paint on the outside
( see also 2.4 ). The handles and the ears shall be painted with two
coats of black paint.
5.3.1 The word ‘FIRE’ shall be painted in black centrally on the outside;
its letters shall be 75 mm high, and approximately 12 mm thick.
FInd the attached Specification of Bucket as per IS. Hope it clears your doubt.
Best Regards
From India, Mumbai
Dear Kesava sir , neeraj ji , dipil and all , Thanks for valuable post . but one question is still pending : specification of sand ( micron size etc .)?? Regards, Abhay
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
dear kesava & neeraj, both gave a very good reply with lots of details. i’m very happy that i learnt many things from these. it was very useful. thanks a lot to teach. regards.
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Dear Abhay
To my understanding and knowledge, there is no mention of Sand Size in OISD / NFPA / TAC .
But the sand should be fine and meshed - must not contain any gravel. Sand placed should be dry always. As mentioned by Mr.Keshav - lid may be provided on sand bucket.
Others may throw light on this if mentioned in any other national / international standards.
Best Regards
From India, Mumbai
To my understanding and knowledge, there is no mention of Sand Size in OISD / NFPA / TAC .
But the sand should be fine and meshed - must not contain any gravel. Sand placed should be dry always. As mentioned by Mr.Keshav - lid may be provided on sand bucket.
Others may throw light on this if mentioned in any other national / international standards.
Best Regards
From India, Mumbai
Community Support and Knowledge-base on business, career and organisational prospects and issues - Register and Log In to CiteHR and post your query, download formats and be part of a fostered community of professionals.
Fire bucket.pdf
Share saving calculation.xls
Dry Scotch pine Tree Fire.zip