Hi all, I like to know if an employee can have a two jobs in the same company and draw the salary for the jobs.
From India, Chennai
4From India, Chennai
Dear Senthilkumar,
what a fanciful question! Can you ride on two horses simultaneously? You should remember one important fact of employment - i.e., as an employee, irrespective of your employment status,responsibilities and abilities, what you are doing is simply selling your time to your employer at his disposal for the consideration of appropriate compensation. Duality or multiplicity of role-play of an individual in an organization by virtue of his status of employment does not, in my humble opinion, entitle him to stake a claim for distinct multiple compensations in the form of salaries accordingly.
From India, Salem
what a fanciful question! Can you ride on two horses simultaneously? You should remember one important fact of employment - i.e., as an employee, irrespective of your employment status,responsibilities and abilities, what you are doing is simply selling your time to your employer at his disposal for the consideration of appropriate compensation. Duality or multiplicity of role-play of an individual in an organization by virtue of his status of employment does not, in my humble opinion, entitle him to stake a claim for distinct multiple compensations in the form of salaries accordingly.
From India, Salem
Hello Mr.Umakanthan,
I would like to Thank you first for the time you spend to answer the question I posted.
But the employment know about the dual role the employee play in the organization and done nothing so far.I am new joiner in the company and i know i can't raise an issue.The said employee is a senior in the organization when I asked about the few others they said this has been going on for almost five years.I have enough experience to know it is not done in any organization.But when i saw here i want an opinion of others who have more knowledge then me in these matter.That's why posted the question here. Thank you for your kind reply.
Thanks and Regards,
Senthil kumar.A
From India, Chennai
I would like to Thank you first for the time you spend to answer the question I posted.
But the employment know about the dual role the employee play in the organization and done nothing so far.I am new joiner in the company and i know i can't raise an issue.The said employee is a senior in the organization when I asked about the few others they said this has been going on for almost five years.I have enough experience to know it is not done in any organization.But when i saw here i want an opinion of others who have more knowledge then me in these matter.That's why posted the question here. Thank you for your kind reply.
Thanks and Regards,
Senthil kumar.A
From India, Chennai
Hi Senthil,
Dual employment is not illegal according to our statutory law. Is that person a direct employee of your organization or is he working on contract/as consultant? You yourself stated that the management knows that he is as well employed in another company. I know a company where a senior management person is associated with 5 companies.
You have mentioned "I am new joiner in the company and i know i can't raise an issue". Is this tagged with any particular reason?
From India, Bangalore
Dual employment is not illegal according to our statutory law. Is that person a direct employee of your organization or is he working on contract/as consultant? You yourself stated that the management knows that he is as well employed in another company. I know a company where a senior management person is associated with 5 companies.
You have mentioned "I am new joiner in the company and i know i can't raise an issue". Is this tagged with any particular reason?
From India, Bangalore
Hi Mahesh,
The said employee is not working for any other companies.She is working in the same company and yes she is a direct employee of the company and the management knows about the dual role and the dual salary.
The particular reason i said that i can't raise an issue is.One of the job she is doing is as an HR-Administrator.Now who will the company protect the new joiner or the said employee?
Thanks and Regards,
Senthil Kumar.A
From India, Chennai
The said employee is not working for any other companies.She is working in the same company and yes she is a direct employee of the company and the management knows about the dual role and the dual salary.
The particular reason i said that i can't raise an issue is.One of the job she is doing is as an HR-Administrator.Now who will the company protect the new joiner or the said employee?
Thanks and Regards,
Senthil Kumar.A
From India, Chennai
hi Senthil,
Ofcourse you can and you must. Position/Being new does not matter in business, what matters is exprience and knoweledge.
I am surprised how the General Audit has been passed in your company for same employee by paying her dual salary for dual position so many years in same company. It will surely have accouting effects and hence I wrote "NO" earlier. You need to have a Board Resolution passed for such cases and its has its own complexity.
We had a similar issue with one of my past company I worked, where the a certain employee was contributing to his sister firm on one position and a different position in Parent firm and taking a seperate salary. Later, I changed one of his position as "Consultant" in parent firm. In your case its the Same company. I suggest you immediately check with your MD/Finance Manager/Chartered Accountant and they will put this wrong practice in your company for 5yrs to rest.
If the said employee is contributing for two seperate distinctive responsibilties, she must be given "one relaevant designation" and her salary maybe compensated accordingly to her dual responsibilty and not "Dual Position/Designation with Seperate Salary/pay roll".
Ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Ofcourse you can and you must. Position/Being new does not matter in business, what matters is exprience and knoweledge.
I am surprised how the General Audit has been passed in your company for same employee by paying her dual salary for dual position so many years in same company. It will surely have accouting effects and hence I wrote "NO" earlier. You need to have a Board Resolution passed for such cases and its has its own complexity.
We had a similar issue with one of my past company I worked, where the a certain employee was contributing to his sister firm on one position and a different position in Parent firm and taking a seperate salary. Later, I changed one of his position as "Consultant" in parent firm. In your case its the Same company. I suggest you immediately check with your MD/Finance Manager/Chartered Accountant and they will put this wrong practice in your company for 5yrs to rest.
If the said employee is contributing for two seperate distinctive responsibilties, she must be given "one relaevant designation" and her salary maybe compensated accordingly to her dual responsibilty and not "Dual Position/Designation with Seperate Salary/pay roll".
Ukmitra
From Saudi Arabia, Riyadh
Hi Ukmitra,
Thank you for the advise but you don't understand the situation.The said employee is HR-Admn.She is the one taking care of the accounting section(out sourcing).And the C.O.O is not going to intervene in it.Before i joined here the last HR-Manager was let go because she raised some issues about the seniors in the organization about their attitude and behavior and the way things done around here.
Now the current HR-Manager is a relative of the C.O.O and she wasn't bothered about this issue also.So if they can let go an HR-Manager raising an issue who am i to raise an issue?
Thanks and Regards,
Senthil Kumar.A
From India, Chennai
Thank you for the advise but you don't understand the situation.The said employee is HR-Admn.She is the one taking care of the accounting section(out sourcing).And the C.O.O is not going to intervene in it.Before i joined here the last HR-Manager was let go because she raised some issues about the seniors in the organization about their attitude and behavior and the way things done around here.
Now the current HR-Manager is a relative of the C.O.O and she wasn't bothered about this issue also.So if they can let go an HR-Manager raising an issue who am i to raise an issue?
Thanks and Regards,
Senthil Kumar.A
From India, Chennai
All said and one if you cannot make a difference then do not interfere.
If any one has read the book by Stephen Covey on The 7 steps to success, sorry guys I think I have the name of the book wrong, It is the 7 habits of Highly People, in the very beginning he says work withing your circle of influence do not try and influence those outside this circle.
so if what if going on in your company is out side your circle of influence then do nothing, try and find some one whose circle of influence will cover this and try and convince him/her to bring up the change.
Many bad things go on in many organization and as employees we most of the time cannot do any thing about it since we do not the influence to make the change.
This aspect works very well in all spheres on your life. Just remember to keep within your circle of influence.
If you can get this book it is very helpful. Do not worry chin up and do your work to the best of your ability. One sly way of bringing this to the notice of senior management is to show this in manpower reports, try and make this prominent.
Regards
Ronald
From India, Hyderabad
If any one has read the book by Stephen Covey on The 7 steps to success, sorry guys I think I have the name of the book wrong, It is the 7 habits of Highly People, in the very beginning he says work withing your circle of influence do not try and influence those outside this circle.
so if what if going on in your company is out side your circle of influence then do nothing, try and find some one whose circle of influence will cover this and try and convince him/her to bring up the change.
Many bad things go on in many organization and as employees we most of the time cannot do any thing about it since we do not the influence to make the change.
This aspect works very well in all spheres on your life. Just remember to keep within your circle of influence.
If you can get this book it is very helpful. Do not worry chin up and do your work to the best of your ability. One sly way of bringing this to the notice of senior management is to show this in manpower reports, try and make this prominent.
Regards
Ronald
From India, Hyderabad
hi Senthil,
Many members try to solve your query...I just want to ask you one thing...You yourself cannot raise the issue so you cannot follow members advice...then why did you raise this query over here...even after knowing that its not possible to have dual designation with dual salary you cannot do anything then what is the use of wasting other people's time...second thing i would like to say as you are new in the company its possible that you do not know if any legal way is taken in this case by your company and third thing if company is still willing pay to pay her dual salary what do you have to do with this....its company's matter and they can look after this...i would like to suggest you being a new joinee rather than paying attention on this useless stuff you should pay more attention on your own work,,,,
Regards,
Megha
From India, Indore
Many members try to solve your query...I just want to ask you one thing...You yourself cannot raise the issue so you cannot follow members advice...then why did you raise this query over here...even after knowing that its not possible to have dual designation with dual salary you cannot do anything then what is the use of wasting other people's time...second thing i would like to say as you are new in the company its possible that you do not know if any legal way is taken in this case by your company and third thing if company is still willing pay to pay her dual salary what do you have to do with this....its company's matter and they can look after this...i would like to suggest you being a new joinee rather than paying attention on this useless stuff you should pay more attention on your own work,,,,
Regards,
Megha
From India, Indore
Dear Senthil,
It's nothing new/unethical or impossible or unheard to allocate two portfolios to the same person, but, there is no compulsion or practicality to pay two salaries to the same person. Definitely there cannot be two full salaries to the same person. . Instead, an additional sum to compensate or as a remuneration to shoulder addl. responsibilities is paid. Such a thing is common. There is nothing wrong or prohibition to such a kind of arrangement. I myself shouldered such responsibilities attached to top posts in a CPSU and I'm paid addl.remuneration also. I held on to not one or two or but three portfolios at a time. For e.g. a Production Engineer is asked to look after maintenance also additionally or a Finance Manager to look after admin or HR also. But in many employers these kind of arrangements are made as a stop gap arrangements especially there arises vacancies due to retirement or resignation or removal or when the existing incumbent goes on leave/transferred etc. In Govt.sector it's called Officiating or Addl., in PSUs it's called Acting. And you are free to give your own designation. But there could be some statutory posts which warrants persons appointed exclusively in which case you can't have this. In some pvt. firms where it is managed by family members it could be common. There could be some instances where due to some reasons a Sr. could have lesser work load who can be asked to look after other portfolio also or he may be asked to share where pressure of work is felt. Caution, some times it may create confusion if neither here nor there is felt. It depends on circumstances.
From India, Bangalore
It's nothing new/unethical or impossible or unheard to allocate two portfolios to the same person, but, there is no compulsion or practicality to pay two salaries to the same person. Definitely there cannot be two full salaries to the same person. . Instead, an additional sum to compensate or as a remuneration to shoulder addl. responsibilities is paid. Such a thing is common. There is nothing wrong or prohibition to such a kind of arrangement. I myself shouldered such responsibilities attached to top posts in a CPSU and I'm paid addl.remuneration also. I held on to not one or two or but three portfolios at a time. For e.g. a Production Engineer is asked to look after maintenance also additionally or a Finance Manager to look after admin or HR also. But in many employers these kind of arrangements are made as a stop gap arrangements especially there arises vacancies due to retirement or resignation or removal or when the existing incumbent goes on leave/transferred etc. In Govt.sector it's called Officiating or Addl., in PSUs it's called Acting. And you are free to give your own designation. But there could be some statutory posts which warrants persons appointed exclusively in which case you can't have this. In some pvt. firms where it is managed by family members it could be common. There could be some instances where due to some reasons a Sr. could have lesser work load who can be asked to look after other portfolio also or he may be asked to share where pressure of work is felt. Caution, some times it may create confusion if neither here nor there is felt. It depends on circumstances.
From India, Bangalore
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