Hi, We are an It company with employee strength of 10 currently. So I wanted to know when are we eligble for deducting pf from employees.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
You are required to register and get coverage for PF when you have more than 19 employees. However, you are eligible to register voluntarily before that also. The compliance is complex and can not be discontinued. Further most employees do not want it. So I would suggest you don't be in a hurry to start it.
Anyone who wants can always open a PPF account with a nationalised bank and opt for that in absence if EPF from the company.
From India, Mumbai
2395Anyone who wants can always open a PPF account with a nationalised bank and opt for that in absence if EPF from the company.
From India, Mumbai
Dear friends,
In EPF employer has to contribute at par with the employees' contribution. Means employee contribution will get doubled in the same month. When interest is added it will go up further. From where we will get such an earning? Also the deposit is secured, exempted from income tax etc.
At this context if employees are not interested to register with PF, it will be due to lack of awareness.
Abbas.P.S
From India, Bangalore
In EPF employer has to contribute at par with the employees' contribution. Means employee contribution will get doubled in the same month. When interest is added it will go up further. From where we will get such an earning? Also the deposit is secured, exempted from income tax etc.
At this context if employees are not interested to register with PF, it will be due to lack of awareness.
Abbas.P.S
From India, Bangalore
Employees Provident Funds and Miscellaneous Provisions Act will not apply to your organization if it has less than 20 employees across India, including all its branch offices. Considering that your company presently employees only 10 employees, it is not required under the law to contribute towards the provident funds or make any deduction towards the PF from its employees' salary.
Having said that, your organisation can voluntarily register itself under the Employees Provident Funds and Miscellaneous Provisions Act even though the Act, if it wants to do so. Your company can make employer's contribution and also deduct employees contribution from the salary only after obtaining the registration under the Act. Please do not start deducting PF from the salary of employees without obtaining a registration under the Act as it is a serious violation.
From India, Bangalore
Having said that, your organisation can voluntarily register itself under the Employees Provident Funds and Miscellaneous Provisions Act even though the Act, if it wants to do so. Your company can make employer's contribution and also deduct employees contribution from the salary only after obtaining the registration under the Act. Please do not start deducting PF from the salary of employees without obtaining a registration under the Act as it is a serious violation.
From India, Bangalore
Hello Ammu,
Since you are only 10 employees, your establishment is not legally required to go for PF registration, unless of course your establishment wishes to do so. But always remember that once you are registered, you would need to continue to pay the PF contributions even if your strength remains the same or falls below 10.
As rightly said by some of the members, your establishment would also need to pay equal amount of the pf contribution every month (and admin charges along with contribution to EDLI) to respective PF Office. Now, this would be an additional financial burden for your establishment unless you would have considered that while calculating the CTC of each of the 10 employees. Moreover, your employees would now have a lesser take home salary since a portion would now go towards the PF.
Check with the employees & your employer. If they both agree, you can go ahead and get the PF registration. Withdrawal from salary and remittance to the PF should be done only after you are allotted the PF code. Ideally, the PF thing is actually beneficial to all employees and it provides for financial help in the long run. Hence it is advisable to go for it.
Regards,
A.B.
From India, Mumbai
Since you are only 10 employees, your establishment is not legally required to go for PF registration, unless of course your establishment wishes to do so. But always remember that once you are registered, you would need to continue to pay the PF contributions even if your strength remains the same or falls below 10.
As rightly said by some of the members, your establishment would also need to pay equal amount of the pf contribution every month (and admin charges along with contribution to EDLI) to respective PF Office. Now, this would be an additional financial burden for your establishment unless you would have considered that while calculating the CTC of each of the 10 employees. Moreover, your employees would now have a lesser take home salary since a portion would now go towards the PF.
Check with the employees & your employer. If they both agree, you can go ahead and get the PF registration. Withdrawal from salary and remittance to the PF should be done only after you are allotted the PF code. Ideally, the PF thing is actually beneficial to all employees and it provides for financial help in the long run. Hence it is advisable to go for it.
Regards,
A.B.
From India, Mumbai
When people consider the CTC, and the deduction of both amounts comes from CTC, there is no doubling of the income. Interest is attractive for those coming under high tax bracket. For others, bank interest may be a better option, or investment in stocks. Some others just need the money in current day to day life and don't want to think of savings at this time. Is it better to get a 8.5% interest or to use the money to,pay off a housing loan that is gathering 13% interest car loan at 15-% ?
So even if they are educated, they may not be willing to voluntarily do it.
From India, Mumbai
So even if they are educated, they may not be willing to voluntarily do it.
From India, Mumbai
Deduction from salary becomes a kind of forced savings which is necessary as everyone may not be expected to be all that meticulous about savings.
Tendency to splurge exists among many and availability of extra cash makes one feel free.
EPF is an excellent saving avenue and should be introduced if employer is ready to do so.
EPF is a good avenue for savings aimed to be a retirement corpus.
Now that EPF is also slowly taking the gamble of investing in stocks,returns hopefully will go beyond 8.5% compound interest.
Tax saving aspect makes it icing on the cake.
Think long term and consider all aspects and go ahead with a pro employee decision.
From India, Pune
Tendency to splurge exists among many and availability of extra cash makes one feel free.
EPF is an excellent saving avenue and should be introduced if employer is ready to do so.
EPF is a good avenue for savings aimed to be a retirement corpus.
Now that EPF is also slowly taking the gamble of investing in stocks,returns hopefully will go beyond 8.5% compound interest.
Tax saving aspect makes it icing on the cake.
Think long term and consider all aspects and go ahead with a pro employee decision.
From India, Pune
CTC is the cost to company. Accordingly both employee and employer contribution include in CTC. Hence the statement that " there is no doubling of the income " is wrong. Abbas.P.S
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
If you are having a CTC of ₹1000, if you have PF, you get in hand ₹760 and ₹240 in PF. Or actually less as some of it goes to pension fund.
If you don't have PF, the entire money comes to you. So,where is the doubling ?
From India, Mumbai
If you don't have PF, the entire money comes to you. So,where is the doubling ?
From India, Mumbai
The grievant, AmmuSNair has never mentioned the word "CTC".
So if the Establishment agrees to contribute, then it'll be doubling of the contributed amount being remitted in to the members PF account.
However, if the Establishment is not ready for this burden, then the member would have to contribute the same from his existing remuneration (which means that both side contribution would be from his salary itself). This is likely to reduce his take-home substantially and hence he/she may not agree to. However, going with the PF has it's own advantages, most of which is generally in the longer run.
Regards,
A.B.
From India, Mumbai
So if the Establishment agrees to contribute, then it'll be doubling of the contributed amount being remitted in to the members PF account.
However, if the Establishment is not ready for this burden, then the member would have to contribute the same from his existing remuneration (which means that both side contribution would be from his salary itself). This is likely to reduce his take-home substantially and hence he/she may not agree to. However, going with the PF has it's own advantages, most of which is generally in the longer run.
Regards,
A.B.
From India, Mumbai
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