Dear Seniors,
Could you please guide me what is the meaning of " Punishment - Stoppage Of 03 Incerement with cumulative effect"
In above statement what is meaning of " With Cumulative effect " ?
Thanks in advance
From India, Pune
467Could you please guide me what is the meaning of " Punishment - Stoppage Of 03 Incerement with cumulative effect"
In above statement what is meaning of " With Cumulative effect " ?
Thanks in advance
From India, Pune
Hello Prashant B Ingawale,
Can you mention the context of this statement?
The word "Cumulative" doesn't really jell in this general context of stoppage of Increments--since 'cumulative' means 'together/accumulative/collective/accruing/increasing, etc'. Unless there were some Increments that were already announced/deserved BUT NOT PAID/IMPLEMENTED in the situation which you have in hand.
Usually the phrases used/associated in such a context are: 'retrospective effect' OR 'immediate effect' OR 'w.e.f........(date)'.
Pl do wait for others to respond.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Can you mention the context of this statement?
The word "Cumulative" doesn't really jell in this general context of stoppage of Increments--since 'cumulative' means 'together/accumulative/collective/accruing/increasing, etc'. Unless there were some Increments that were already announced/deserved BUT NOT PAID/IMPLEMENTED in the situation which you have in hand.
Usually the phrases used/associated in such a context are: 'retrospective effect' OR 'immediate effect' OR 'w.e.f........(date)'.
Pl do wait for others to respond.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Dear friend tajsateesh
The word "with cumulative effect" in context of awarding punishment; is generally and very widely, used in Govt. and Public Sector Undertakings.
It has a very SPECIFIC meaning. But before elaborating on it; let us wait for the additional information sought for; viz. "...Can you mention the context of this statement?"
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
The word "with cumulative effect" in context of awarding punishment; is generally and very widely, used in Govt. and Public Sector Undertakings.
It has a very SPECIFIC meaning. But before elaborating on it; let us wait for the additional information sought for; viz. "...Can you mention the context of this statement?"
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Dear Prashant, The punishment of stoppage of three increments with cumulative effect means that he will not draw the next annual increment for a period of three years and at the end of three years he will draw the next increment. Let us assume a case that the punished employee was in the grade of Rs. 5000-100-6000 and was drawing basic pay of Rs. 5500/ and increment is due on 15th September every year. As the punishent of stoppage of increment with cumulative effect is imposed, his basic pay will remain static at Rs. 5500/- as on 15th September 2011, 15th September 2012, 15th September 1013 and upto 14th September 2014. On 15th September 2014 he will draw the next increment and his basic pay would go up to Rs. 5600/-. Had it been without cumulative effect, his pay would be fixed at the stage where he would have been had he not been punished i.e., he would be stright drawing Rs. 5900/- on 15th September 2014 without going through the stages of Rs. 5600 to Rs. 5800. Thus where the punishment is stoppage of e increments with cumulative effect the loss is enduring or life long whereas where the punishment of stoppage of increments without cumulative effect the loss is short term and does not make difference in the long run.
Hope this clarifies
KK
From India, Bhopal
Hope this clarifies
KK
From India, Bhopal
Excellent explanation kknair. That’s what makes CiteHR one of the Best HR Forums. Rgds, TS
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Prashant,
I think I have already replied your question at the following link of Lawyers Club India.
Punishment - stoppage of 03 incerement with cumulative effect - Labour & Service Law Experts Queries - Law, Lawyers, Advocates, Law Firms,Legal Help, Legal Experts,Judgements,Law Help, Indian Lawyers
If you have got any doubt about that, you may like to specify that. for further clarification. However, Mr. K.K.Nair's reply would also have satisfy you fully, as I am in total agreement with his reply.
From India, Delhi
I think I have already replied your question at the following link of Lawyers Club India.
Punishment - stoppage of 03 incerement with cumulative effect - Labour & Service Law Experts Queries - Law, Lawyers, Advocates, Law Firms,Legal Help, Legal Experts,Judgements,Law Help, Indian Lawyers
If you have got any doubt about that, you may like to specify that. for further clarification. However, Mr. K.K.Nair's reply would also have satisfy you fully, as I am in total agreement with his reply.
From India, Delhi
Dear tajsateesh, Prashant and other friends.
I fully endorse the opinion given by kknair.
He hs clearly brought out the meaning of the phrase "with cumulative effect".
In case of 'with cumulative effect' the increments for those years are lost forever; whereas if it is "withour cumulative effect" - then the employee is placed at the same increment level - (which he would have earned, had he not been awarded the punishment) - at the end/expiry of punishment period.
Hope the example and the explanations given herein, clears any doubt regarding "with or without cumulative effect" as used while awarding punishment.
I expect more of such queries and explanations from members so that it helps the HR fraternity and especially CiteHR members in enriching their knowledge and expertise.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
I fully endorse the opinion given by kknair.
He hs clearly brought out the meaning of the phrase "with cumulative effect".
In case of 'with cumulative effect' the increments for those years are lost forever; whereas if it is "withour cumulative effect" - then the employee is placed at the same increment level - (which he would have earned, had he not been awarded the punishment) - at the end/expiry of punishment period.
Hope the example and the explanations given herein, clears any doubt regarding "with or without cumulative effect" as used while awarding punishment.
I expect more of such queries and explanations from members so that it helps the HR fraternity and especially CiteHR members in enriching their knowledge and expertise.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Dear All,
KKNair sir has correctly distinguished both the terms. Initially in today's industry lot of old personnel terms are vanishing and hence time to time re-refereance of these types of tricky issues will help the members to add their knowledge.
Thanks Mr. Nair !!!
Regards,
Dinesh Shitole, Pune
From India, Pune
KKNair sir has correctly distinguished both the terms. Initially in today's industry lot of old personnel terms are vanishing and hence time to time re-refereance of these types of tricky issues will help the members to add their knowledge.
Thanks Mr. Nair !!!
Regards,
Dinesh Shitole, Pune
From India, Pune
please clarify me what next promotion can given a employees during punishment period..?
after inquiry of a theft case, Management arbitrarily impose punishment on an employee for stoppage of one increment with cumulative effect.
letter of punishment issued on 10 Jan 2012
Annual Increment date was may 2012.
eligible and qualify for promotion on march 2013.
presently management saying after may 2013 promotion will considered.
* with cumulative effect he lost his increments for life time. the promotion should not be given is a another punishment.
please suggest over this issue.
Badal moharana
9439020587
From India, Bangalore
after inquiry of a theft case, Management arbitrarily impose punishment on an employee for stoppage of one increment with cumulative effect.
letter of punishment issued on 10 Jan 2012
Annual Increment date was may 2012.
eligible and qualify for promotion on march 2013.
presently management saying after may 2013 promotion will considered.
* with cumulative effect he lost his increments for life time. the promotion should not be given is a another punishment.
please suggest over this issue.
Badal moharana
9439020587
From India, Bangalore
Dear Badal
I think yours is a good employer-friendly company.
Once the punishment period is over, the employee is eligible for promotion and increment. He can not be denied future promotions or increment.
Of course, do bear in mind that since the punishment is with cumulative effect; it means he will not get the increment that was due during the punishment period; but get next increment after the punishment period is over - i.e on the Date of Next Increment due.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
I think yours is a good employer-friendly company.
Once the punishment period is over, the employee is eligible for promotion and increment. He can not be denied future promotions or increment.
Of course, do bear in mind that since the punishment is with cumulative effect; it means he will not get the increment that was due during the punishment period; but get next increment after the punishment period is over - i.e on the Date of Next Increment due.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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