Hi All,
I think we've seen more than expected arguments here. Though initially, I made a comment in favor of consultants, I just want to add one more thing - that not all are alike. Everywhere you'll find good HRs and bad HRs (be it in corporate or in consultancy) because H stands for Human.
"To make mistakes is human; to stumble is commonplace; to be able to laugh at yourself is maturity" - William A. Ward.
Please don't make things personal here. It's not about empathizing or taking sides; it's about genuinely expressing your thoughts. HRs from both fraternities share a relationship of mutual benefit or dependence, and no one should feel superior or inferior.
Cheers,
Rashmi
From India, Madras
I think we've seen more than expected arguments here. Though initially, I made a comment in favor of consultants, I just want to add one more thing - that not all are alike. Everywhere you'll find good HRs and bad HRs (be it in corporate or in consultancy) because H stands for Human.
"To make mistakes is human; to stumble is commonplace; to be able to laugh at yourself is maturity" - William A. Ward.
Please don't make things personal here. It's not about empathizing or taking sides; it's about genuinely expressing your thoughts. HRs from both fraternities share a relationship of mutual benefit or dependence, and no one should feel superior or inferior.
Cheers,
Rashmi
From India, Madras
Hi,
This thread is closed now. You are welcome to comment on another thread which I started. https://www.citehr.com/178731-positi...r-manager.html
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
4This thread is closed now. You are welcome to comment on another thread which I started. https://www.citehr.com/178731-positi...r-manager.html
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
Hi All,
I feel most of us have given good tempo to the discussion. Ash, Gunjan, Arti, even others seem to be true.
I feel it's part of dealing with another person and it's an art. Even during my last organization, we never misbehaved with any consultant. Though sometimes discussions get hot for issues, not for the person, and that sort of understanding is required sometimes. Though I agree as someone here said, it's also the duty of the supervisor to guide new entrants as they may not have done a professional course. On the other hand, seeing things from an HR perspective requires a lot of insight, understanding, practice, etc.
So what if there are many recruitment consultants here and there? So what? It's their right to be there; that's why they can get better services, and that's the reason some corporates have the upper hand. It's more a relationship of vendor management, learning from one another.
Generally, corporates and consultants set the process and timings to resolve queries. If anyone misbehaves, it's also part of the other person to tackle it tactfully while maintaining their dignity.
That's why, friends, we should keep learning the human processes.
Best Regards,
Rahul
From India, Mumbai
I feel most of us have given good tempo to the discussion. Ash, Gunjan, Arti, even others seem to be true.
I feel it's part of dealing with another person and it's an art. Even during my last organization, we never misbehaved with any consultant. Though sometimes discussions get hot for issues, not for the person, and that sort of understanding is required sometimes. Though I agree as someone here said, it's also the duty of the supervisor to guide new entrants as they may not have done a professional course. On the other hand, seeing things from an HR perspective requires a lot of insight, understanding, practice, etc.
So what if there are many recruitment consultants here and there? So what? It's their right to be there; that's why they can get better services, and that's the reason some corporates have the upper hand. It's more a relationship of vendor management, learning from one another.
Generally, corporates and consultants set the process and timings to resolve queries. If anyone misbehaves, it's also part of the other person to tackle it tactfully while maintaining their dignity.
That's why, friends, we should keep learning the human processes.
Best Regards,
Rahul
From India, Mumbai
Hi,
I'm sorry, but I don't agree here. There are consultants who have earned a name in their field, and they are welcomed like a business partner in their client industries because of their hard work, honesty, ethics, and knowledge of business.
At the same time, there are plenty who have just opened a shop kind of consultancy and try to sell their services at any cost. At times, they try to bribe HR people with a share in the placement fees. They don't operate like a business. Instead, they hire young boys and girls on lower wages without any knowledge about recruitment and force them to go and meet HR people in every industry, as if they are going door-to-door selling soaps and creams. These are the consultants who are treated the way mentioned above.
I have seen that most companies, after proper informal analysis, have chosen a few consultants to work with, and then a relationship is developed based on long-term trust in business. Such consultants command all due respect.
I have dealt with consultants who try to ask for a share in consultancy fees, propose better placements, and even attempt to switch employees placed by them to other customers without any moral obligation.
I dislike some of them, and I respect some of them.
Does anyone agree?
Regards
From India, Lucknow
I'm sorry, but I don't agree here. There are consultants who have earned a name in their field, and they are welcomed like a business partner in their client industries because of their hard work, honesty, ethics, and knowledge of business.
At the same time, there are plenty who have just opened a shop kind of consultancy and try to sell their services at any cost. At times, they try to bribe HR people with a share in the placement fees. They don't operate like a business. Instead, they hire young boys and girls on lower wages without any knowledge about recruitment and force them to go and meet HR people in every industry, as if they are going door-to-door selling soaps and creams. These are the consultants who are treated the way mentioned above.
I have seen that most companies, after proper informal analysis, have chosen a few consultants to work with, and then a relationship is developed based on long-term trust in business. Such consultants command all due respect.
I have dealt with consultants who try to ask for a share in consultancy fees, propose better placements, and even attempt to switch employees placed by them to other customers without any moral obligation.
I dislike some of them, and I respect some of them.
Does anyone agree?
Regards
From India, Lucknow
Dear Shekhar,
Thanks for your post. I agree there are many bad consultants who can be weeded out by not giving business to them. Here I am talking through my own experience of a small but extremely professional consultancy that has deep roots in recruitments. Even they are treated shabbily by Bad Corp HR.
To summarize:
- The issue is Good Consultants Vs Bad Corp HR.
- The need is for Good Corp HR to influence the Bad Corp HR and help clean up the system for Good Consultants & ethical recruitment practices.
- Good consultants suffer both because of Bad Corp HR & Bad Consultants.
- Only Good Corp HR can help.
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
Thanks for your post. I agree there are many bad consultants who can be weeded out by not giving business to them. Here I am talking through my own experience of a small but extremely professional consultancy that has deep roots in recruitments. Even they are treated shabbily by Bad Corp HR.
To summarize:
- The issue is Good Consultants Vs Bad Corp HR.
- The need is for Good Corp HR to influence the Bad Corp HR and help clean up the system for Good Consultants & ethical recruitment practices.
- Good consultants suffer both because of Bad Corp HR & Bad Consultants.
- Only Good Corp HR can help.
Good HR Associates
From India, Chandigarh
Hi,
I find it uncomfortable to define good or bad, either for corporate HR or consultants. Instead, we can focus on adopting better HR practices. As you all have discussed, setting up processes is important, but ultimately, it is about person-to-person interaction. For individuals, it is essential to understand the mental model—perceptions about oneself, one's team, one's organization, as well as perceptions of others, and engaging in dialogue (dialogue, i.e., having meaningful conversations) and conversations.
Anyway, it was quite a healthy discussion altogether.
Regards,
From India, Mumbai
I find it uncomfortable to define good or bad, either for corporate HR or consultants. Instead, we can focus on adopting better HR practices. As you all have discussed, setting up processes is important, but ultimately, it is about person-to-person interaction. For individuals, it is essential to understand the mental model—perceptions about oneself, one's team, one's organization, as well as perceptions of others, and engaging in dialogue (dialogue, i.e., having meaningful conversations) and conversations.
Anyway, it was quite a healthy discussion altogether.
Regards,
From India, Mumbai
Dear,
I am an HR professional who graduated in 2003 and currently working in the administration department of a construction company. I have been applying for HR vacancies through the internet, but I am puzzled as to why I am not receiving any responses for HR positions. I have made several changes to my resume format over extended periods, but it seems to have made no difference.
Could you please guide me on how to improve my chances in this regard? I have attached my resume for your reference.
Thank you.
From India, Delhi
I am an HR professional who graduated in 2003 and currently working in the administration department of a construction company. I have been applying for HR vacancies through the internet, but I am puzzled as to why I am not receiving any responses for HR positions. I have made several changes to my resume format over extended periods, but it seems to have made no difference.
Could you please guide me on how to improve my chances in this regard? I have attached my resume for your reference.
Thank you.
From India, Delhi
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