Can anybody guide whether we need to contribute PF admin for Voluntary PF contribution over and above Statutory,Any act reference if so please share.
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Administration charges are to be paid based on the actual wages on which the PF is deducted and contributed. This should include the amount of salary on which voluntary PF or PF in addition to mandatory PF is paid.
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Dear Sir Thanks for your response,is there any section for which i can refer.
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Please read the Provident Fund and Misc Provisions Act, 1952 and the Schemes thereto. Don’t read the section what you need. That does not make sense. read the entire Act.
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Voluntary PF may be of two types. One where both the employer and employees are contributing above the statutory limit (as of date ₹15,000 per month), and admin charges will be on the actual PF gross, say ₹20,000 per month.
There are instances where the employee is only contributing an extra percentage as VPF, but the employer is not contributing. Using the above example, the employer is contributing 12% on ₹20,000, but the employee is contributing 20% of ₹20,000, i.e., 8% extra as VPF.
As per para 30 of the PF scheme, admin charges will be paid on PF gross, which in this case is ₹20,000, whereas the employee contribution in terms of percentage is higher.
This has been clarified by different PF offices, stating that permission should be sought before contributions are made; contributing poses no issue, etc. I am unsure about how to proceed. I am aware of some organizations where only employees contribute an extra percentage as VPF, but not the employer, and there is no provision to pay admin charges on the additional contribution of the employee's VPF since admin charges are based on PF gross and not on the percentage of contribution.
If anyone can provide further clarification on this matter, please reach out.
Thanks and Regards,
S K Bandyopadhyay (Howrah, WB)
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There are instances where the employee is only contributing an extra percentage as VPF, but the employer is not contributing. Using the above example, the employer is contributing 12% on ₹20,000, but the employee is contributing 20% of ₹20,000, i.e., 8% extra as VPF.
As per para 30 of the PF scheme, admin charges will be paid on PF gross, which in this case is ₹20,000, whereas the employee contribution in terms of percentage is higher.
This has been clarified by different PF offices, stating that permission should be sought before contributions are made; contributing poses no issue, etc. I am unsure about how to proceed. I am aware of some organizations where only employees contribute an extra percentage as VPF, but not the employer, and there is no provision to pay admin charges on the additional contribution of the employee's VPF since admin charges are based on PF gross and not on the percentage of contribution.
If anyone can provide further clarification on this matter, please reach out.
Thanks and Regards,
S K Bandyopadhyay (Howrah, WB)
skb@usdhrs.in
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Hello everyone, I request you all to please clear my doubt on VPF calculation. I have one employee who is contributing an extra 23.56% (12% + 23.56% = 35.56%) as VPF, but the employer is only contributing 12% on basic wage ceiling, i.e., Rs 15,000.
Right now, I'm calculating as follows:
Name EPF WAGES EPS WAGES EPF EE Share EPF ER Share EPS Contribution
XY 15000 15000 5334 550 1250
(35.56% of 15K)
Also, I'm calculating EDLI on EPF wages. Please let me know if I'm doing it right, and if not, please provide the correct calculation with an example.
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Right now, I'm calculating as follows:
Name EPF WAGES EPS WAGES EPF EE Share EPF ER Share EPS Contribution
XY 15000 15000 5334 550 1250
(35.56% of 15K)
Also, I'm calculating EDLI on EPF wages. Please let me know if I'm doing it right, and if not, please provide the correct calculation with an example.
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This is okay. In EDLI, the ceiling of Rs 15000 is applicable.
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Hello, Sir. Thank you for your quick reply. In regards to this post, I have one more query. Should I do the calculation like this:
EPF WAGES - 44450
EPS WAGES - 15000
EDLI WAGES - 15000
So, EPF EE Share - 5334, EPF ER Share - 4084, EPS Contribution - 1250. However, in this case, why should the employer pay the extra percentage in the employee's EPF A/C, even though the basic wage ceiling is 15000? It is the employee's choice to contribute an extra percentage towards PF, but the employer is not liable to pay extra. Please suggest.
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EPF WAGES - 44450
EPS WAGES - 15000
EDLI WAGES - 15000
So, EPF EE Share - 5334, EPF ER Share - 4084, EPS Contribution - 1250. However, in this case, why should the employer pay the extra percentage in the employee's EPF A/C, even though the basic wage ceiling is 15000? It is the employee's choice to contribute an extra percentage towards PF, but the employer is not liable to pay extra. Please suggest.
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If the employer is ready to pay PF on gross salary/salary higher than Rs 15000, he can do so. The decision of contributing 8.33% of that higher salary to the Pension Fund is pending, though the Supreme Court has ruled that employees who receive this higher contribution will get a higher pension proportionate to the contribution. Even now, those who file an execution petition will get a verdict in their favor and receive a higher pension on the grounds that their employer had contributed to the pension fund without restricting it to 8.33% of Rs 15000 but taking the actual salary on which PF is contributed as their Pension Qualifying Salary.
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But sir, the employer wants to contribute to only 15000, not on a higher salary. Can I do the calculation like this:
EPF WAGES - 44450
EPS WAGES - 15000
EDLI WAGES - 15000
So, EPF EE Share - 5334, EPF ER Share - 550, EPS Contribution - 1250
Earlier, I was doing it like this:
EPF WAGES - 15000
EPS WAGES - 15000
EDLI WAGES - 15000
So, EPF EE Share - 5334, EPF ER Share - 550, EPS Contribution - 1250
Which one will be correct? (Only the employee wants to contribute more than 12%, not the employer)
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EPF WAGES - 44450
EPS WAGES - 15000
EDLI WAGES - 15000
So, EPF EE Share - 5334, EPF ER Share - 550, EPS Contribution - 1250
Earlier, I was doing it like this:
EPF WAGES - 15000
EPS WAGES - 15000
EDLI WAGES - 15000
So, EPF EE Share - 5334, EPF ER Share - 550, EPS Contribution - 1250
Which one will be correct? (Only the employee wants to contribute more than 12%, not the employer)
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Both are correct. Under the first one, the administration charges will increase corresponding to salary but in the second one, since the salary is less,the admin. charges will be less.
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So, what I learn from this discussion is:
1. An employee can contribute more than 12% as VPF in their PF A/C, but the employer can contribute 12% at the basic wage limit of 15k. The employer is not liable to pay the extra % (EPF EE share- EPS share) towards the employee's PF account.
2. EPF wages are the wages on which EPF share is calculated, and EPS wages are the wages on which EPS share is calculated, which is a maximum of Rs 1250/-. EPF wages and EPS wages can be different.
3. EDLI is calculated on EPS wages, and PF Admin is calculated on EPF wages.
Thank you, @Madhu.T.K, sir, for sharing your knowledge.
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1. An employee can contribute more than 12% as VPF in their PF A/C, but the employer can contribute 12% at the basic wage limit of 15k. The employer is not liable to pay the extra % (EPF EE share- EPS share) towards the employee's PF account.
2. EPF wages are the wages on which EPF share is calculated, and EPS wages are the wages on which EPS share is calculated, which is a maximum of Rs 1250/-. EPF wages and EPS wages can be different.
3. EDLI is calculated on EPS wages, and PF Admin is calculated on EPF wages.
Thank you, @Madhu.T.K, sir, for sharing your knowledge.
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Hello Sir,
As per our discussion yesterday, I prepared the ECR. However, when I uploaded it, I encountered an error stating that EPF wages cannot be greater than Gross wages. The employee wishes to contribute Rs 8850 to the EPF A/C. Therefore, I set the EPF wages at 73750 (73750*12%), while the employee's gross wages are Rs 52000. If I calculate EPF based on Rs 15000 (15000*57% = 8850), my PF Admin charges will be on a lower amount. This could potentially cause issues for the PF officers.
I am now confused because we have learned that employees can contribute up to 100% of their basic salary and dearness allowance towards the VPF scheme. Does this mean that if my basic + DA is Rs 20,000, I can contribute Rs 20000 to EPF? Or does it imply that I can contribute 12% of my total basic + DA, which amounts to Rs 20,000, making the contribution Rs 2400?
Do I need to adjust the EPF wages to achieve a 12% contribution of Rs 20,000? If so, the EPF wages would exceed the employee's gross wages. How should I calculate VPF in ECR?
Thank you.
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As per our discussion yesterday, I prepared the ECR. However, when I uploaded it, I encountered an error stating that EPF wages cannot be greater than Gross wages. The employee wishes to contribute Rs 8850 to the EPF A/C. Therefore, I set the EPF wages at 73750 (73750*12%), while the employee's gross wages are Rs 52000. If I calculate EPF based on Rs 15000 (15000*57% = 8850), my PF Admin charges will be on a lower amount. This could potentially cause issues for the PF officers.
I am now confused because we have learned that employees can contribute up to 100% of their basic salary and dearness allowance towards the VPF scheme. Does this mean that if my basic + DA is Rs 20,000, I can contribute Rs 20000 to EPF? Or does it imply that I can contribute 12% of my total basic + DA, which amounts to Rs 20,000, making the contribution Rs 2400?
Do I need to adjust the EPF wages to achieve a 12% contribution of Rs 20,000? If so, the EPF wages would exceed the employee's gross wages. How should I calculate VPF in ECR?
Thank you.
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You cannot put PF wages higher than gross wages. How is it possible? PF is calculated on the wages and if you need higher contribution, make the percentage higher than 12%.
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Sir, can you help me with how I should do the calculation in ECR if an employee wants to contribute 100% of their basic + DA in EPF, given that the basic + DA is Rs. 20,000.
EPF wages - Rs. 20,000
EPS wages - Rs. 15,000
EDLI wages - Rs. 15,000
EPF EE share - ?
Could you guide me on how to calculate the EPF EE share if the employee wishes to contribute 100%?
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EPF wages - Rs. 20,000
EPS wages - Rs. 15,000
EDLI wages - Rs. 15,000
EPF EE share - ?
Could you guide me on how to calculate the EPF EE share if the employee wishes to contribute 100%?
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You may input 20000 as the employee contribution. On the clerical side, I am not used to it. I think before that, you may have to change the portion where the number of persons contributing a higher percentage than 12%. Then it will be good. Try that.
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Earlier, I was calculating a higher percentage for those who have opted for VPF. I kept the EPF wages at Rs 15,000 and used to calculate more than 12% of the employee's share based on 15,000 only.
EPF WAGES - 15,000
EPS WAGES - 15,000
EDLI WAGES - 15,000
So, EPF EE Share - 5,334 (35.56% of 15k), EPF ER Share - 550, EPS Contribution - 1,250. However, recently when I visited the PF office, they informed me that I should change the EPF wages. I should calculate 12% on EPF wages to get Rs 5,334 as the employee contribution and calculate Admin charges on EPF wages.
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EPF WAGES - 15,000
EPS WAGES - 15,000
EDLI WAGES - 15,000
So, EPF EE Share - 5,334 (35.56% of 15k), EPF ER Share - 550, EPS Contribution - 1,250. However, recently when I visited the PF office, they informed me that I should change the EPF wages. I should calculate 12% on EPF wages to get Rs 5,334 as the employee contribution and calculate Admin charges on EPF wages.
From India, Pune
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