My company is asking me to check the PF & ESI return online for all my contractors.Is it justified to ask the ID Password from the contractors.?
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Dear AbhiK,
Definitely not. It's not justified to share any username and password with any unauthorized person. I believe it is not legally accepted under cyber laws. However, you may ask the contractor to submit those details to you in the form of a hard copy or soft copy, as per your convenience. For safety purposes, you may also require a declaration or compliance certificate from the contractors.
Regards, Tushar Swar
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Definitely not. It's not justified to share any username and password with any unauthorized person. I believe it is not legally accepted under cyber laws. However, you may ask the contractor to submit those details to you in the form of a hard copy or soft copy, as per your convenience. For safety purposes, you may also require a declaration or compliance certificate from the contractors.
Regards, Tushar Swar
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If a contractor is not depositing the PF & ESIC contributions of contractor employees, then it is the principal employer's responsibility to deposit the PF & ESIC. That is why it is the responsibility of the principal employer to check whether the contractor is depositing the PF & ESIC of the contract employee or not.
For this purpose, you can ask your contractor to share the PF & ESIC deposited challan copy along with contribution details.
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Bhupendra Agrahari
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For this purpose, you can ask your contractor to share the PF & ESIC deposited challan copy along with contribution details.
Regards,
Bhupendra Agrahari
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Greetings, Abhik,
As suggested by other members, you can either seek a hard copy or soft copy of the PF remittances made by the contractor in respect of the employees employed by the contractor in your establishment. However, the only change I would recommend is that you reimburse the contribution made by the contractor for PF and ESI by way of a separate check. Also, obtain a signature in a declaration from the contractor stating that he has received the contribution towards PF and ESI from you.
Please note that the contractor does not pay any contribution from his profit and only includes the contributions payable by the employer in his profit and submits a quote. Therefore, advise the contractor to exclude the employer's contribution towards PF and ESI from his quote.
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From India, Madras
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As suggested by other members, you can either seek a hard copy or soft copy of the PF remittances made by the contractor in respect of the employees employed by the contractor in your establishment. However, the only change I would recommend is that you reimburse the contribution made by the contractor for PF and ESI by way of a separate check. Also, obtain a signature in a declaration from the contractor stating that he has received the contribution towards PF and ESI from you.
Please note that the contractor does not pay any contribution from his profit and only includes the contributions payable by the employer in his profit and submits a quote. Therefore, advise the contractor to exclude the employer's contribution towards PF and ESI from his quote.
Regards
From India, Madras
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I have bought a book on the EPF & MP Act 1952 (2012), in which for forms 21-30 and forms 17-18, it is written [not printed]. Does it mean it has been omitted or it has not been printed by mistake?
What is the meaning of 'EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED' in law books?
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What is the meaning of 'EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED' in law books?
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Greetings Abhik,
I am not too sure about the query you have raised regarding the Forms.
As regards the meaning of Expressed or Implied, it means that the communication necessarily need not be in writing.
In other words, you issue an offer letter stating that the employee will be out of the purview of ESI coverage as he is drawing Gross wages over and above the ESI ceiling. The implied meaning is that in the event the ESI ceiling is raised at a subsequent date, then the employee will come within the purview of ESI coverage.
You include a clause in the letter stating that the employee is required to work in shifts if required and that he will generally report in the General shift. The implied meaning is that if he is required to work in shifts, then he has to adhere to the appropriate shift timings.
You also express to the employee the policies of the company relating to leave rules and other protocols in the company. This means that whatever is expressed to him also has to be followed by him.
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From India, Madras
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I am not too sure about the query you have raised regarding the Forms.
As regards the meaning of Expressed or Implied, it means that the communication necessarily need not be in writing.
In other words, you issue an offer letter stating that the employee will be out of the purview of ESI coverage as he is drawing Gross wages over and above the ESI ceiling. The implied meaning is that in the event the ESI ceiling is raised at a subsequent date, then the employee will come within the purview of ESI coverage.
You include a clause in the letter stating that the employee is required to work in shifts if required and that he will generally report in the General shift. The implied meaning is that if he is required to work in shifts, then he has to adhere to the appropriate shift timings.
You also express to the employee the policies of the company relating to leave rules and other protocols in the company. This means that whatever is expressed to him also has to be followed by him.
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Dear sirs,
I have a clarification regarding PF slips. A contractual agency claims that they are unable to produce PF slips for their laborers for the financial year 2015-2016, as they have withdrawn their balances after the end of the contract. Consequently, the PF slips have not been generated. The workers were engaged with the agency from July 13, 2014, to July 12, 2015, and then moved to another contractual agency from July 13, 2015. Is the agency right in this matter?
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I have a clarification regarding PF slips. A contractual agency claims that they are unable to produce PF slips for their laborers for the financial year 2015-2016, as they have withdrawn their balances after the end of the contract. Consequently, the PF slips have not been generated. The workers were engaged with the agency from July 13, 2014, to July 12, 2015, and then moved to another contractual agency from July 13, 2015. Is the agency right in this matter?
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Hello AbhiK3025,
There is no need to ask for the login ID and password from your contractor.
It's quite easy to check the PF remittance made by your contractors, but it's a little time-consuming.
Get the salary payment sheet (which the contractor would be submitting to you/your company for the payment of wages for the contractual labor he would have deputed in your establishment for a specific month). This would have all details like the basic wages, allowances (if any), and the PF emolument for each labor.
Ask the contractor to give you the signed ECR of the specific months, the respective challans, and the payment acknowledgment which he can get from his online account. Cross-tally the PF data in the bill/invoice with the ECR of the respective month for each of the contractual labor whom he would have deputed in your company.
Once you reconcile these details, you will clearly know whether your contractors have remitted the PF dues for the contractual labor deputed in your company.
Hope this answers your queries.
Regards,
A.B.
From India, Mumbai
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There is no need to ask for the login ID and password from your contractor.
It's quite easy to check the PF remittance made by your contractors, but it's a little time-consuming.
Get the salary payment sheet (which the contractor would be submitting to you/your company for the payment of wages for the contractual labor he would have deputed in your establishment for a specific month). This would have all details like the basic wages, allowances (if any), and the PF emolument for each labor.
Ask the contractor to give you the signed ECR of the specific months, the respective challans, and the payment acknowledgment which he can get from his online account. Cross-tally the PF data in the bill/invoice with the ECR of the respective month for each of the contractual labor whom he would have deputed in your company.
Once you reconcile these details, you will clearly know whether your contractors have remitted the PF dues for the contractual labor deputed in your company.
Hope this answers your queries.
Regards,
A.B.
From India, Mumbai
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