Dear All, this is Heena(HR).Attached salary slip.Please let me know whether it is fake or genuine. Thanks in advanced Heena
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Heena, first of all, this is not the right way to verify a document. Citehr is an open forum where any document in original should not be uploaded.
Still, the attached salary slip seems to be fake as the calculation of EPF is wrong. EPF contribution should be Rs. 798 (12% of basic salary) and not Rs. 558 as mentioned in the slip.
Secondly, the employer's side contribution towards EPF is never deducted from the employee's gross salary. It is illegal to deduct the employer's share of EPF/ESIC, etc., from the employee's salary.
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177Still, the attached salary slip seems to be fake as the calculation of EPF is wrong. EPF contribution should be Rs. 798 (12% of basic salary) and not Rs. 558 as mentioned in the slip.
Secondly, the employer's side contribution towards EPF is never deducted from the employee's gross salary. It is illegal to deduct the employer's share of EPF/ESIC, etc., from the employee's salary.
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It is fake for the following reasons:
1. PF Calculation is wrong. It must be a minimum of Rs 780/ (12% of Rs 6500/).
2. No IT deduction is shown.
3. Sodexo is never shown in the payslip. It is given as coupons. If they give money to buy Sodexo coupons, then it is taxable.
Sivasankaran
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1. PF Calculation is wrong. It must be a minimum of Rs 780/ (12% of Rs 6500/).
2. No IT deduction is shown.
3. Sodexo is never shown in the payslip. It is given as coupons. If they give money to buy Sodexo coupons, then it is taxable.
Sivasankaran
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Dear Mr. Sivasankaran,
If Basic+DA is less than 6500/-, how will EPF contribution be 780/-? EPF contribution should be 12% of Basic+DA and not 12% of the fixed 6500.
Rest of the points mentioned, you are okay.
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Kamal
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If Basic+DA is less than 6500/-, how will EPF contribution be 780/-? EPF contribution should be 12% of Basic+DA and not 12% of the fixed 6500.
Rest of the points mentioned, you are okay.
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Kamal
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Dear All,
First of all, as rightly pointed out by Kamal, this is not the right forum to verify such a document. You have to consider the privacy of the person this document pertains to as well as the organization that purportedly issued it.
The most surefire and foolproof method to authenticate a document is by calling up the HR department of the company and asking them to verify it.
Regarding the views of the above contributors, the contents may be genuine, as some organizations do not follow the rule book deliberately or due to a sheer lack of knowledge. I have seen all kinds of payslips but have the kinds of mistakes as pointed out in the attached document.
One of the simplest ways is to look at the document properties: It was created using openoffice.org 3.1 and prepared on a computer registered to "Rashid Jamal."
When such a document is generated through any software system, it will contain the name of the software as the author and mostly will have a PDF printer or writer software as PDF Producer. Also, most of the payroll software outputs will contain the disclaimer that the document is a digital output and does not require a signature. In the absence of such a disclaimer, a signature and seal are required for the authentication of the document.
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Savio
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First of all, as rightly pointed out by Kamal, this is not the right forum to verify such a document. You have to consider the privacy of the person this document pertains to as well as the organization that purportedly issued it.
The most surefire and foolproof method to authenticate a document is by calling up the HR department of the company and asking them to verify it.
Regarding the views of the above contributors, the contents may be genuine, as some organizations do not follow the rule book deliberately or due to a sheer lack of knowledge. I have seen all kinds of payslips but have the kinds of mistakes as pointed out in the attached document.
One of the simplest ways is to look at the document properties: It was created using openoffice.org 3.1 and prepared on a computer registered to "Rashid Jamal."
When such a document is generated through any software system, it will contain the name of the software as the author and mostly will have a PDF printer or writer software as PDF Producer. Also, most of the payroll software outputs will contain the disclaimer that the document is a digital output and does not require a signature. In the absence of such a disclaimer, a signature and seal are required for the authentication of the document.
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Savio
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Dear All,
Thank you very much for your response. Yes, I do agree I should not upload original documents, and I am sure that I'll not upload them in the future. I have contacted the HR department of the company, and they have cleared all the doubts I had about this payslip. In fact, the payslip is genuine. I now understand that by just looking at a payslip, one cannot determine its authenticity without verifying it with the HR department of the company.
Once again, thanks to all of you.
Regards,
Heena
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Thank you very much for your response. Yes, I do agree I should not upload original documents, and I am sure that I'll not upload them in the future. I have contacted the HR department of the company, and they have cleared all the doubts I had about this payslip. In fact, the payslip is genuine. I now understand that by just looking at a payslip, one cannot determine its authenticity without verifying it with the HR department of the company.
Once again, thanks to all of you.
Regards,
Heena
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hi, Can anybody send me a sample salary breakup excel. I mea if i put the CTC,breakup should come automatically.(HRA,Basic etc) We do not have any payroll system here,please help
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I still have doubts because the basic salary and EPF contributions will not match in any EPF returns Form 5/10/12A, 3A, and 6A.
A person earning 30K per month falls into the income tax bracket. How is there no heading for income tax deductions/TDS?
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A person earning 30K per month falls into the income tax bracket. How is there no heading for income tax deductions/TDS?
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Dear Kamal,
I agree with your thoughts. I believe this was to determine whether the payslip would pass the test or not. I withhold my judgment on the authenticity of the document. Perhaps we can discuss this outside of this forum.
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Savio
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I agree with your thoughts. I believe this was to determine whether the payslip would pass the test or not. I withhold my judgment on the authenticity of the document. Perhaps we can discuss this outside of this forum.
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Savio
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Hi Dear, No Monthly professional Tax, Income Tax Deduction. Take it in to your consideration. amteksteel
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Pls find this attached salary break up excel sheet. Swapna
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Dear amteksteel, Professonal tax is a state tax and not applicable in all states of the country. so it is possible that PT is not be mentioned in the sal slip,if not applicable.
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Hello Heena,
You can check if this is original or fake by verifying his bank account statement. If his pay slip shows the account number, it means the company is depositing the salary into that account through RTGS or cheque.
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You can check if this is original or fake by verifying his bank account statement. If his pay slip shows the account number, it means the company is depositing the salary into that account through RTGS or cheque.
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@venkatesh_oh
A bank cannot disclose a bank account details to a third party without the written consent of the customer. It is against the secrecy policy of banks operating in India.
Banks can disclose account details to a third party only under compulsion of law or to a public authority.
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A bank cannot disclose a bank account details to a third party without the written consent of the customer. It is against the secrecy policy of banks operating in India.
Banks can disclose account details to a third party only under compulsion of law or to a public authority.
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Hi Heena,
I feel this payslip is manipulated. None of the HR will prepare the structure as it shows. Basic is above 6500/- so PF contributions should be 780 or 12% of the actual basic. HRA is more than the Basic. As other colleagues suggested, for this salary, there are chances for TDS, but that doesn't matter because that shall be calculated and deducted from next month onwards as the payslip stands for the month of April.
I feel as you have cross-checked with the HR of the company. If possible, take the confirmation on the mail (from the Official Mail ID) and request the candidate to get the bank statement. So it shall be clarified.
I feel it's not a genuine payslip.
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I feel this payslip is manipulated. None of the HR will prepare the structure as it shows. Basic is above 6500/- so PF contributions should be 780 or 12% of the actual basic. HRA is more than the Basic. As other colleagues suggested, for this salary, there are chances for TDS, but that doesn't matter because that shall be calculated and deducted from next month onwards as the payslip stands for the month of April.
I feel as you have cross-checked with the HR of the company. If possible, take the confirmation on the mail (from the Official Mail ID) and request the candidate to get the bank statement. So it shall be clarified.
I feel it's not a genuine payslip.
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Hi you can find herewith attached salary calculator for your perusal. it may be helpful to to you. Bhavi
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When in doubt, ask for three months' salary slips and the same duration bank statement. You'll be able to corroborate both. Whether through online remittance or cheque payment, both transactions will show up. If he's being paid in cash, he's not worth hiring.
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Hi Heena,
This salary slip seems to be fake for simple reasons; however, you need to verify its validity through official or reference check sources.
1) Employer contribution against PF is mentioned in the salary slip, which I have not seen anywhere.
2) Sodexo passes are mentioned, which is not typically done as they are exempted from tax. If included in the salary slip, they will be taxable.
3) PF contribution should be ₹780 if the minimum basic is considered ₹6,500 or 12% of the actual basic. Here, it is incorrect.
4) There are other reimbursements that are not usually included in the salary slip if the bills are produced, such as for books.
Regards,
Vinod Bidwaik
From India, Pune
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This salary slip seems to be fake for simple reasons; however, you need to verify its validity through official or reference check sources.
1) Employer contribution against PF is mentioned in the salary slip, which I have not seen anywhere.
2) Sodexo passes are mentioned, which is not typically done as they are exempted from tax. If included in the salary slip, they will be taxable.
3) PF contribution should be ₹780 if the minimum basic is considered ₹6,500 or 12% of the actual basic. Here, it is incorrect.
4) There are other reimbursements that are not usually included in the salary slip if the bills are produced, such as for books.
Regards,
Vinod Bidwaik
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Hi, Simply, cross check his SBI account statement which is mentioned on the salary slip for the month of April 2012.
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One more observation: Insurance is shown in earning. It is not possible. Copmany directly pays the insurance premium to insurance companies. Regards, Vinod Bidwaik
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hi payslip is origional state . it is not fake one , isespective of the calculation made in the slip
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Every company has its own salary break up. I would advise that you take your company’s salary structure and prepare the format in excel.
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I have a query on the salary slip.
The company name says something Inc. It does not have a registered address either. A search for it on Google turns up nothing (which is more strange for a software company). I wonder if the company itself is fake.
That is not an Indian company or a registered entity in India.
In that case, it would be using US$ instead of rupees.
Furthermore, an American company would not be issuing a payslip of this type. They would have proper software to do it (else they would be too small to have an office in India). A salary slip of an American company will not have so many details of Indian regulations.
This seems to be a fake salary slip. It looks like someone tried to take his stated CTC and show it on a salary slip. He may be getting the salary (check his bank statement) but not from this company and not for the amount stated.
How did you speak to HR? Where did you get the number? It is possible that the person is not from HR or not from that company.
Actually, this is getting very interesting. Is this a genuine query you have, or is it an academic one?
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The company name says something Inc. It does not have a registered address either. A search for it on Google turns up nothing (which is more strange for a software company). I wonder if the company itself is fake.
That is not an Indian company or a registered entity in India.
In that case, it would be using US$ instead of rupees.
Furthermore, an American company would not be issuing a payslip of this type. They would have proper software to do it (else they would be too small to have an office in India). A salary slip of an American company will not have so many details of Indian regulations.
This seems to be a fake salary slip. It looks like someone tried to take his stated CTC and show it on a salary slip. He may be getting the salary (check his bank statement) but not from this company and not for the amount stated.
How did you speak to HR? Where did you get the number? It is possible that the person is not from HR or not from that company.
Actually, this is getting very interesting. Is this a genuine query you have, or is it an academic one?
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Ms. Heena Short & sweet verification is to demand bank statement from him because salary was deposited in bank account. Rgd Ashok More
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it is an interesting salary slip...and more interesting thing is that the person uploaded this saying salary slip is genuine...i dont know how people can prepare such kind of salary slips
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Good explanation was given by all the members on how a proper salary breakup should look and how to identify a fake document. However, I fail to understand why someone who is registered just 2 days back would show the actual document online and ask people from HR if it looks fake. I also don't understand the height of coincidence where all the last names in this case are the same.
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Dear Cocotina,
As I had mentioned earlier, the user has uploaded it to this forum to check if it will withstand the scrutiny of HR professionals and to ascertain what the HR department may request or do to verify its authenticity. I believe it is evident that this is a fraudulent document, and it would be advisable to cease offering suggestions that could assist the creator in producing a foolproof document.
Regards, Savio
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As I had mentioned earlier, the user has uploaded it to this forum to check if it will withstand the scrutiny of HR professionals and to ascertain what the HR department may request or do to verify its authenticity. I believe it is evident that this is a fraudulent document, and it would be advisable to cease offering suggestions that could assist the creator in producing a foolproof document.
Regards, Savio
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Dear Heena This is a fake salary slip. It is prepared by emplyee himself. In case of any doubt you can aski him to submit his previous 3 month bank statement Thanks
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Dear all,
There are so many doubts about the payslip, and it seems fake. There are many reasons to doubt, and all of you have also raised concerns. However, I want to draw your attention to the monthly bonus as well. If it is as per "The Payment of Bonus Act," then it is not in compliance with the rules. It is over 20% of Basic+DA, which is the maximum limit for a bonus. In any case, it seems fake or very improper, which gives a negative impression of the company.
Thank you.
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There are so many doubts about the payslip, and it seems fake. There are many reasons to doubt, and all of you have also raised concerns. However, I want to draw your attention to the monthly bonus as well. If it is as per "The Payment of Bonus Act," then it is not in compliance with the rules. It is over 20% of Basic+DA, which is the maximum limit for a bonus. In any case, it seems fake or very improper, which gives a negative impression of the company.
Thank you.
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Dont worry about impact on the company the company is fake too. It does not exist. the actual company (i checked) has a name spelt different.
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The attached salary slip is really fake because the calculation on PF & ESI is wrong. It also shows that employer-side deductions have been made from the employee's salary. Lastly, the HRA is more than the basic. So, it seems fake.
Himanshu Mani Tripathi Manager-HR (T & D)
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Hi Hina,
What was the authenticity of the HR you spoke to? Was it genuine? Did you dial the office extensions or a mobile number? Most of the salary parameters mentioned do not comply with the existing laws. Also, the owner of the attachment is the same as the user.
Regards,
Anand Dhruv
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What was the authenticity of the HR you spoke to? Was it genuine? Did you dial the office extensions or a mobile number? Most of the salary parameters mentioned do not comply with the existing laws. Also, the owner of the attachment is the same as the user.
Regards,
Anand Dhruv
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Hi,
Sure, this is a fake one. You have to know the general contributions and deductions to determine whether this is fake or correct. Instead of that, you shouldn't circulate it in public.
Regards,
Prabakar
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Sure, this is a fake one. You have to know the general contributions and deductions to determine whether this is fake or correct. Instead of that, you shouldn't circulate it in public.
Regards,
Prabakar
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Dear Heena
I agreed Mr. Kamal & Savio views any document should not shown as publically.
Bank passbook/ statement can be part of verifies the authenticity of salary slip.
Credited amount (Monthly salary amount), Name & account number should be same as printed on salary slip.
Generally when account number printed on salary slip it always assume amount directly credited in bank and narration in bank passbook / statement always shown as salary or salary with month some time with company name but it should be without cheque number & personal name.
PF calculation is always a good point for verifies the authenticity of salary slip as per PF deduction rate for that period.
As said by Mr. Sivsankaran…………….. No IT deduction is shown.
Agreed it should be part of salary slip but I feel this salary slip was for the month of April 2012. So it may possible in the month of April tax calculation can be avoid or person having good investment history. I mean for tax point of views salary’s month & individual tax calculation should be in mind with investment history of candidate.
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Vikas Wadhawan
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From India, Chandigarh
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I agreed Mr. Kamal & Savio views any document should not shown as publically.
Bank passbook/ statement can be part of verifies the authenticity of salary slip.
Credited amount (Monthly salary amount), Name & account number should be same as printed on salary slip.
Generally when account number printed on salary slip it always assume amount directly credited in bank and narration in bank passbook / statement always shown as salary or salary with month some time with company name but it should be without cheque number & personal name.
PF calculation is always a good point for verifies the authenticity of salary slip as per PF deduction rate for that period.
As said by Mr. Sivsankaran…………….. No IT deduction is shown.
Agreed it should be part of salary slip but I feel this salary slip was for the month of April 2012. So it may possible in the month of April tax calculation can be avoid or person having good investment history. I mean for tax point of views salary’s month & individual tax calculation should be in mind with investment history of candidate.
Regards
Vikas Wadhawan
9467471010
From India, Chandigarh
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