Hi all,
I would like to ask the HR personnel - Does an HR abide by all the rules and principles for the very same reason that he/she rejects a candidate during an interview? For example, if an HR rejects a candidate because he/she has frequent job hops, is it fair on the part of HR to do the same; i.e. keep switching jobs?
ASHLESHA
From India, Mumbai
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24I would like to ask the HR personnel - Does an HR abide by all the rules and principles for the very same reason that he/she rejects a candidate during an interview? For example, if an HR rejects a candidate because he/she has frequent job hops, is it fair on the part of HR to do the same; i.e. keep switching jobs?
ASHLESHA
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Greetings,
Extremely interesting point. I can barely wait to read others' responses to this. Here's my experience and learning. I have attended interviews in an organization where the interviewer's role, i.e., BU HR Head, remained the same, but the person in that role changed thrice. Each time I was called to meet the BU Head HR, I found someone new. I was rejected by them in all three interviews as I lacked stability!
I am connected to them through social networking sites that announce updates when they change jobs. Each time they declare their career progression, I congratulate them.
I completely understand that few terminologies are used rather overused to declare the results of the interview. The judgment often remains subjective rather than objective, I believe!
I am waiting to hear the experiences and learning from other members.
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From India, Mumbai
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Extremely interesting point. I can barely wait to read others' responses to this. Here's my experience and learning. I have attended interviews in an organization where the interviewer's role, i.e., BU HR Head, remained the same, but the person in that role changed thrice. Each time I was called to meet the BU Head HR, I found someone new. I was rejected by them in all three interviews as I lacked stability!
I am connected to them through social networking sites that announce updates when they change jobs. Each time they declare their career progression, I congratulate them.
I completely understand that few terminologies are used rather overused to declare the results of the interview. The judgment often remains subjective rather than objective, I believe!
I am waiting to hear the experiences and learning from other members.
Regards, (Cite Contribution)
From India, Mumbai
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Ashlesha,
Very good and right spade on the head question. Whenever HR wants to change, they do so as per their wish because the organization needs someone to do all clerical work. In the absence of HR, the managers and other departments need to step in, so they urgently fill the position. If one day the CEO is absent, the next day papers can be signed. However, if the office boy is absent, no one will get coffee that day. Other employees hold high-level jobs that are more important than HR, so it's essential to check their job-hopping tendencies.
From India, Madras
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Very good and right spade on the head question. Whenever HR wants to change, they do so as per their wish because the organization needs someone to do all clerical work. In the absence of HR, the managers and other departments need to step in, so they urgently fill the position. If one day the CEO is absent, the next day papers can be signed. However, if the office boy is absent, no one will get coffee that day. Other employees hold high-level jobs that are more important than HR, so it's essential to check their job-hopping tendencies.
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Greetings,
Please help us focus on a point and not blow it out of proportion. Let's stand apart from the generalizations and offer solutions to specific situations. Brainstorming is not only about pointing fingers but also about raking it enough to end up with an understanding, not an absence of it.
I look forward to being enlightened through the collective understanding from the discussion in this thread.
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From India, Mumbai
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Please help us focus on a point and not blow it out of proportion. Let's stand apart from the generalizations and offer solutions to specific situations. Brainstorming is not only about pointing fingers but also about raking it enough to end up with an understanding, not an absence of it.
I look forward to being enlightened through the collective understanding from the discussion in this thread.
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From India, Mumbai
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Dear All,
This is also applicable to HR personnel. My personal experience: I joined a new organization in the month of November 2010, and my previous organization is asking me to rejoin again. However, I told them I can do so, but after one year, as this will affect my career growth in the future. Every organization has some expectations from us as they provide us with bread and butter, so we need to think about them as human beings.
I have deviated from the main topic, but it could be correlated.
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Shaikh
From India, Bhubaneswar
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This is also applicable to HR personnel. My personal experience: I joined a new organization in the month of November 2010, and my previous organization is asking me to rejoin again. However, I told them I can do so, but after one year, as this will affect my career growth in the future. Every organization has some expectations from us as they provide us with bread and butter, so we need to think about them as human beings.
I have deviated from the main topic, but it could be correlated.
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Shaikh
From India, Bhubaneswar
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Hello,
Sorry, nothing is so queer, and the behavior of HR is NOT suspect or dishonest.
As a recruiter, HR is expected to act in conformity with the organization's policy, disregarding personal preferences and/or compulsions. Also, why are expectations made from HR different from those of other employees? All are human beings with individual failings, preferences, and objectives. HR is part of this larger reality.
If HR is giving priority to the "role expectations" disregarding his/her personal choices, I would applaud such HR. If the same HR behaves differently in matters of his/her personal/professional choices, it is an individual decision. It is good if it works in his/her favor, and if it doesn't, he/she will pay a "price" and will have no room for complaint! We are responsible for our thoughts and actions and enjoy or suffer depending on the consequences of our choices. But when we are bound by "role expectations" imposed by the organization and ACCEPTED by us, we must first fulfill the role expectations.
Perhaps morally, the HR could be faulted for applying different norms for himself and for others, but to the extent the HR is upholding role expectations despite personal conduct/preferences, it would be unfair to even allege duplicity of thought or action!
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Samvedan
April 28, 2011
From India, Pune
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Sorry, nothing is so queer, and the behavior of HR is NOT suspect or dishonest.
As a recruiter, HR is expected to act in conformity with the organization's policy, disregarding personal preferences and/or compulsions. Also, why are expectations made from HR different from those of other employees? All are human beings with individual failings, preferences, and objectives. HR is part of this larger reality.
If HR is giving priority to the "role expectations" disregarding his/her personal choices, I would applaud such HR. If the same HR behaves differently in matters of his/her personal/professional choices, it is an individual decision. It is good if it works in his/her favor, and if it doesn't, he/she will pay a "price" and will have no room for complaint! We are responsible for our thoughts and actions and enjoy or suffer depending on the consequences of our choices. But when we are bound by "role expectations" imposed by the organization and ACCEPTED by us, we must first fulfill the role expectations.
Perhaps morally, the HR could be faulted for applying different norms for himself and for others, but to the extent the HR is upholding role expectations despite personal conduct/preferences, it would be unfair to even allege duplicity of thought or action!
Regards,
Samvedan
April 28, 2011
From India, Pune
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I have seen many cases wherein if an HR switches jobs frequently, it is seen as a genuine reason. However, when the same person is hiring for a specific position, they filter out candidates with too many job changes.
Besides, every job is important to every person. We cannot differentiate that high-level jobs are more important than HR roles. An HR professional can also perform administrative work. It is up to the individual to determine how they view their role. The HR professional should be able to convince themselves first and then others.
From India, Mumbai
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Besides, every job is important to every person. We cannot differentiate that high-level jobs are more important than HR roles. An HR professional can also perform administrative work. It is up to the individual to determine how they view their role. The HR professional should be able to convince themselves first and then others.
From India, Mumbai
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Hi Ashlesha,
Genuine concern! Very nicely answered by Mr. Samvedan. I agree with his point of view. When an HR person changes jobs frequently, that's his/her individual decision. But when they reject someone else for the same reason, as they are the representatives of an organization, the decision can differ.
It is also true that HR professionals are role models for many in companies, especially in these areas, so they should not practice what they cannot preach. Also, the frequency of changing jobs depends on different roles. For example, routine jobs create monotony, so people change such jobs frequently (I have seen that recruitment is one such area). On the other hand, there are some jobs where stability is indeed required, such as people working on projects or handling some specific key roles.
Hence, what may be frequent for you may not be for me. Our individual perceptions differ, and so do our decisions. :)
From India, Delhi
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Genuine concern! Very nicely answered by Mr. Samvedan. I agree with his point of view. When an HR person changes jobs frequently, that's his/her individual decision. But when they reject someone else for the same reason, as they are the representatives of an organization, the decision can differ.
It is also true that HR professionals are role models for many in companies, especially in these areas, so they should not practice what they cannot preach. Also, the frequency of changing jobs depends on different roles. For example, routine jobs create monotony, so people change such jobs frequently (I have seen that recruitment is one such area). On the other hand, there are some jobs where stability is indeed required, such as people working on projects or handling some specific key roles.
Hence, what may be frequent for you may not be for me. Our individual perceptions differ, and so do our decisions. :)
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No one really posted their own experience wherein they had a job change very planned after a period of time or are job hoppers. All only posted replies which really do not solve the query. Archana also meant to say that the HR role is monotonous (in the recruitment field), so job hopping in HR is accepted? I don't think this makes sense. Maybe some HR professionals should really mention while changing jobs whether they were selfish or truly followed the HR religion.
Best I can correlate is policemen driving in the wrong way/one way and not wearing helmets themselves, but at the same time catching offenders and fining them. What can be said about this? Have a nice day, friends.
From India, Madras
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Best I can correlate is policemen driving in the wrong way/one way and not wearing helmets themselves, but at the same time catching offenders and fining them. What can be said about this? Have a nice day, friends.
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Here, I would like to say one thing: whoever is employed in one place in their early 20s and retires from the same place cannot be considered a talented professional. One or two job changes in a decade are acceptable as they can enhance lifestyle status and knowledge. However, the issue arises with job-hoppers, especially those who switch between two or three companies within one or two years.
Job changes made for one's betterment will be acknowledged as a display of talent. In fact, job changes should be seen as a positive sign of healthy development and growth, both for the company and the employees.
From India, Kumbakonam
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Job changes made for one's betterment will be acknowledged as a display of talent. In fact, job changes should be seen as a positive sign of healthy development and growth, both for the company and the employees.
From India, Kumbakonam
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