Dear Sir,
I worked in a reputed private sector bank in Chennai before 10 years handling sales. I had an argument with my immediate superior as he was putting unwanted sales pressure and in a fit of anger went and complained to his senior about him. Both my senior and his senior colluded and wanted to eliminate me, so they ordered an inquiry of all my reimbursement bills and my local conveyance bills.
The collection team and the audit team summoned me for an inquiry.
1) My auto rickshaw charges were questioned.
2) They found one of my bills containing Rs. 50 as tea charges as suspicious.
After the inquiry, I submitted my resignation to my immediate superior, who did not accept it. Instead, in a few days, I received a letter from the head office stating that I have been terminated from services and asked to settle all dues.
I settled all my dues to the organization.
I was not provided with a work experience certificate or a relieving letter.
Since I was a fresher out of college and thinking about my career, I searched for new jobs and settled in a new career.
My questions are:
1) Can I ask them now for a work experience certificate?
2) Will they now provide me with a relieving letter without the word "termination"?
3) Can I take legal action against them as all the charges against me are false except the tea bill of Rs. 50 (as tea charges were Rs. 10 and the remaining amount was for coconut water, for which the bill was clubbed with the tea bill)?
I strongly objected to them, but being young and from a middle-class family, I was prevented from seeking advice or sharing the details with my near and dear ones.
Kindly advise, please.
From India, Mumbai
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I worked in a reputed private sector bank in Chennai before 10 years handling sales. I had an argument with my immediate superior as he was putting unwanted sales pressure and in a fit of anger went and complained to his senior about him. Both my senior and his senior colluded and wanted to eliminate me, so they ordered an inquiry of all my reimbursement bills and my local conveyance bills.
The collection team and the audit team summoned me for an inquiry.
1) My auto rickshaw charges were questioned.
2) They found one of my bills containing Rs. 50 as tea charges as suspicious.
After the inquiry, I submitted my resignation to my immediate superior, who did not accept it. Instead, in a few days, I received a letter from the head office stating that I have been terminated from services and asked to settle all dues.
I settled all my dues to the organization.
I was not provided with a work experience certificate or a relieving letter.
Since I was a fresher out of college and thinking about my career, I searched for new jobs and settled in a new career.
My questions are:
1) Can I ask them now for a work experience certificate?
2) Will they now provide me with a relieving letter without the word "termination"?
3) Can I take legal action against them as all the charges against me are false except the tea bill of Rs. 50 (as tea charges were Rs. 10 and the remaining amount was for coconut water, for which the bill was clubbed with the tea bill)?
I strongly objected to them, but being young and from a middle-class family, I was prevented from seeking advice or sharing the details with my near and dear ones.
Kindly advise, please.
From India, Mumbai
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Sometimes one has bad dreams. Please try to forget the bad dreams of the past and look ahead. Somebody rightfully said - "Past is history, and future is a mystery." The present is what really matters; concentrate on the job at hand and let go of the past. I know it is easier said than done, but trust me, you will be doing yourself a favor by erasing the past.
All the best
From India, Delhi
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From India, Delhi
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Hello,
After reading your query and questions, I would like to know more about you with the following:
1) What is more important to you today, the past or the present?
2) Are you currently working anywhere? If yes, please share. If no,
3) What did you do after leaving the said job?
4) What is the need for an 'experience certificate' from this employer?
5) What is your current total work experience and educational qualification?
Do you truly believe you can fight false charges that you feel were unjustly brought against you? Even if you made mistakes in the past or faced such situations and couldn't share or discuss them with anyone, you still had to take timely action.
You acknowledge the mistakes you made in the past, and I believe one must learn from these experiences and improve to create a better present and future. There is no need to dwell on past events unless necessary.
Now, let me answer your questions simply:
Answer to question #1: Regardless of whether you resigned or were terminated, you have the right to request an 'Experience Certificate.'
Answer to question #2: Due to the time factor and the fact that this is a ten-year-old case, they may not provide you with a relieving cum experience certificate without stating "Terminated" as it is recorded in their files. Records cannot be easily changed, and if you wish to do so, you may need to legally fight and win.
You are aware of your actions, mistakes, and whether you were right or wrong. Ultimately, it is up to you to decide your path forward.
Lastly, I advise you not to dwell on the past unnecessarily and focus on your present and future.
Looking forward to your response.
From India, Gurgaon
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After reading your query and questions, I would like to know more about you with the following:
1) What is more important to you today, the past or the present?
2) Are you currently working anywhere? If yes, please share. If no,
3) What did you do after leaving the said job?
4) What is the need for an 'experience certificate' from this employer?
5) What is your current total work experience and educational qualification?
Do you truly believe you can fight false charges that you feel were unjustly brought against you? Even if you made mistakes in the past or faced such situations and couldn't share or discuss them with anyone, you still had to take timely action.
You acknowledge the mistakes you made in the past, and I believe one must learn from these experiences and improve to create a better present and future. There is no need to dwell on past events unless necessary.
Now, let me answer your questions simply:
Answer to question #1: Regardless of whether you resigned or were terminated, you have the right to request an 'Experience Certificate.'
Answer to question #2: Due to the time factor and the fact that this is a ten-year-old case, they may not provide you with a relieving cum experience certificate without stating "Terminated" as it is recorded in their files. Records cannot be easily changed, and if you wish to do so, you may need to legally fight and win.
You are aware of your actions, mistakes, and whether you were right or wrong. Ultimately, it is up to you to decide your path forward.
Lastly, I advise you not to dwell on the past unnecessarily and focus on your present and future.
Looking forward to your response.
From India, Gurgaon
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Dear Mr. Anil Arora,
I did not share my relieving letter with the immediate employer as they were from another sector. Instead, I shared only my resignation letter and my last drawn salary slips, which he was okay with. Since then, I have changed jobs four times, and my current employer is requesting work experience certificates from all my previous employers. I have asked my former employer for the certificate, but they have not responded yet.
Regarding mistakes, if you are in marketing, you may need to purchase alcohol to entertain your clients. However, you can only claim food bills and not alcohol bills. In marketing, it is essential to claim what we spend, but sometimes, bosses can create issues with various reasons as all approvals are oral, and they often say, "I will take care of it."
As I was a fresher at that time, I didn't understand the practical problems when oral approvals are later disapproved. I am currently working and now hold a Ph.D.
Thank you.
From India, Mumbai
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I did not share my relieving letter with the immediate employer as they were from another sector. Instead, I shared only my resignation letter and my last drawn salary slips, which he was okay with. Since then, I have changed jobs four times, and my current employer is requesting work experience certificates from all my previous employers. I have asked my former employer for the certificate, but they have not responded yet.
Regarding mistakes, if you are in marketing, you may need to purchase alcohol to entertain your clients. However, you can only claim food bills and not alcohol bills. In marketing, it is essential to claim what we spend, but sometimes, bosses can create issues with various reasons as all approvals are oral, and they often say, "I will take care of it."
As I was a fresher at that time, I didn't understand the practical problems when oral approvals are later disapproved. I am currently working and now hold a Ph.D.
Thank you.
From India, Mumbai
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I wonder what made you think of retribution after a 10-year long hiatus? Now that you are a Ph.D. holder, think of moving forward in life. Let bygones be bygones. Do you think all those people involved will be in the same positions and locations? Do you think all those bills and vouchers will be traced in a minute? Taking revenge at this point of time is meaningless. As our learned professional friends opined above, show your revenge by climbing up your career. It is possible all those people would have long forgotten that episode...
Best wishes
From India, Bengaluru
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From India, Bengaluru
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Thanks for sharing more information about you, your education, work experience and knowledge along with an example justifying to your mistakes.
You are a PHD holder and more experienced today, but still is not getting the truth and need of today, made me really surprised actually. Another thing that made me puzzle is your answer and example regarding ‘Client Entertainment Bills and Claim’ but still I would like to start by revising myself with “Let bygones be bygones and taking revenge at this point of time is meaningless" :NK Sundaram
Firstly, It is not really important to entertain clients with ALCOHOL if you are in marketing, and I believe the marketing people available on this place wont fully be agree with it too.
Even me can not accept it, however, I understand your situation very well because I used to meet many clients/vendors regarding my work weekly/monthly and with respect of my position, and do entertain the clients but still would say that it is not important to entertain them with alcohol and saying it with my experience.
Before going further, I would like to present a question and seeking your answer with best of your knowledge and experience:
Can you please let us know why ‘alcohol bills ‘ was/are not allowed to claim by your company/ many (almost every) industry/companies in the category of expenses and reimbursement?
One cant claim alcohol bills directly but still with a special approval and justification the kind of bills can be claimed and I don’t think that you are not aware of the same. This rule is not new for you , for me and for other as well.
Moreover, no one would say that you should not claim your actual expenses (that you referred in your example and query above) but in your case where you been caught by adding a forged bill is another thing which I believe you need not to forget while referring and justifying anything or querying furthermore. Complete classification and justification of expenses always required on the bill no matter the expenses was/is for TEA, Coconut Water or Alcohol or anything and it is claimant’s responsibility not supervisors or BOSS for your information.
By saying that you were immature/ fresher which put you in this kind of situation, is totally not acceptable. You were fresher, was not a child or uneducated one. I beg your pardon for this but it is really important to MAKE realize your mistakes that you are, I feel is still not accepting. You were just following the verbal orders but have you ever tried to share the same with admin/account authority while at the time of submitting bills or claiming. PLEASE ACCEPT THE MISTAKES AND LEARN FROM IT, MOVE ON…..
With closing of my lengthy response, I still would suggest you to find a way to tackle your present problems and live for the future because there is no need to look into past and TO follow but to learn from it. Just share the three all required ‘work experience certificate’ with your present employer and explain them wisely that you are not able to provide your first EC, however, I seriously don’t understand why they are asking to submit your all Experience Certificates.
Best of Luck
From India, Gurgaon
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You are a PHD holder and more experienced today, but still is not getting the truth and need of today, made me really surprised actually. Another thing that made me puzzle is your answer and example regarding ‘Client Entertainment Bills and Claim’ but still I would like to start by revising myself with “Let bygones be bygones and taking revenge at this point of time is meaningless" :NK Sundaram
Firstly, It is not really important to entertain clients with ALCOHOL if you are in marketing, and I believe the marketing people available on this place wont fully be agree with it too.
Even me can not accept it, however, I understand your situation very well because I used to meet many clients/vendors regarding my work weekly/monthly and with respect of my position, and do entertain the clients but still would say that it is not important to entertain them with alcohol and saying it with my experience.
Before going further, I would like to present a question and seeking your answer with best of your knowledge and experience:
Can you please let us know why ‘alcohol bills ‘ was/are not allowed to claim by your company/ many (almost every) industry/companies in the category of expenses and reimbursement?
One cant claim alcohol bills directly but still with a special approval and justification the kind of bills can be claimed and I don’t think that you are not aware of the same. This rule is not new for you , for me and for other as well.
Moreover, no one would say that you should not claim your actual expenses (that you referred in your example and query above) but in your case where you been caught by adding a forged bill is another thing which I believe you need not to forget while referring and justifying anything or querying furthermore. Complete classification and justification of expenses always required on the bill no matter the expenses was/is for TEA, Coconut Water or Alcohol or anything and it is claimant’s responsibility not supervisors or BOSS for your information.
By saying that you were immature/ fresher which put you in this kind of situation, is totally not acceptable. You were fresher, was not a child or uneducated one. I beg your pardon for this but it is really important to MAKE realize your mistakes that you are, I feel is still not accepting. You were just following the verbal orders but have you ever tried to share the same with admin/account authority while at the time of submitting bills or claiming. PLEASE ACCEPT THE MISTAKES AND LEARN FROM IT, MOVE ON…..
With closing of my lengthy response, I still would suggest you to find a way to tackle your present problems and live for the future because there is no need to look into past and TO follow but to learn from it. Just share the three all required ‘work experience certificate’ with your present employer and explain them wisely that you are not able to provide your first EC, however, I seriously don’t understand why they are asking to submit your all Experience Certificates.
Best of Luck
From India, Gurgaon
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